Partner Not Willing To Take Care of Business

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bossman72

What would a good reply be to this coach if you were the BU? I'm always looking for "rebuttal lines."

Rebuttal? To "you've blown 2 so far?" Depending on the circumstances, either:

1. That's enough.
2. You're restricted to the dugout.
3. You're ejected.

The coach isn't making an argument, so doesn't deserve a rebuttal.

[dash_riprock]

1. Only two? I thought it was more.

2. Who's counting?

[justanotherblue]

You could give your partner that "look" in hopes it wakes him up. Between innings, especially with a newer umpire, call him down and tell him it's time to start taking care of business, or I will. We've all had to learn the hard way, sometimes a nudge will keep a younger umpire from learning the hard way also. I clearly remember when the light came on for me, the games go much smoother when you stop it quickly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Rebuttal? To "you've blown 2 so far?" Depending on the circumstances, either:

1. That's enough.
2. You're restricted to the dugout.
3. You're ejected.

The coach isn't making an argument, so doesn't deserve a rebuttal.

"Coach, you won't make it to four."

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

"Coach, you won't make it to four."

Mine is similar, only it's, "and you're not going to be around to see the third...goodbye." The coach telling you how many calls you've blown is usually accompanied by a hand signal with the appropriate number of allegedly blown calls. Offending party must leave.

[SanDiegoSteve]

R1 and R3...ground ball that stays in the infield? Sure, PU stays home. BU has BR and all plays on R1 at 2nd, and also 3rd if R1 rounds 2nd and goes to 3rd on the throw to 1st.

But if the ball gets through the infield, the PU sure doesn't stay home then, because he now has R1 if there is a play at 3rd.

So, my question is why would anyone signal to their partner before the at-bat that they are staying home in this situation? It's a normal 1st and 3rd situation, calling for a rotation on a single to the outfield.

[PeteBooth]

Steve

it depends upon whom you are working with and by signalling to your partner you want to make it CRYSTAL clear that your prime responsibility (unless B1 singles as you point out) is the plate, therefore, DO NOT point to me on a pulled foot / swipe tag at first. They shouldn't be pointing in the first place but that's another discussion.

There are some guys that I am pretty certain you work with or have worked with that "love" to point whenever there is a pulled foot / swipe tag scenario.

Pete Booth

[midtnblu]

if R3 is moving on the pitch and the batter is swinging away i'm gonna ask the coach what kind of signs he's giving down there...

[Chris_Hickman]

it depends upon whom you are working with and by signalling to your partner you want to make it CRYSTAL clear that your prime responsibility (unless B1 singles as you point out) is the plate, therefore, DO NOT point to me on a pulled foot / swipe tag at first. They shouldn't be pointing in the first place but that's another discussion.

You DO NOT have to signal "I am staying home" on this play. I have had only 1 guy point to me in about 5 years. I just don't see it being a problem. Add this to your pre-game ( if you do one):

If you have a pulled foot/swipe tag, make your call. If they argue, we can get together and see what we got. Don't point at me.. make your own call.

You can say all that in 20 seconds.

This is my last post on this thread....

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Steve

it depends upon whom you are working with and by signalling to your partner you want to make it CRYSTAL clear that your prime responsibility (unless B1 singles as you point out) is the plate, therefore, DO NOT point to me on a pulled foot / swipe tag at first. They shouldn't be pointing in the first place but that's another discussion.

There are some guys that I am pretty certain you work with or have worked with that "love" to point whenever there is a pulled foot / swipe tag scenario.

Pete Booth

Signaling that you have the plate means there is no rotation. Any time there is a possible rotation, it is up to PU to signal it and BU to mirror it.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Signaling that you have the plate means there is no rotation. Any time there is a possible rotation, it is up to PU to signal it and BU to mirror it.

What is a signal for a rotation? I've never heard of one.

I just use the verbal, "I've got third if he goes". If the runner goes I use the verbal, "I've got third, I've got third".

BU should know in advance of a possible rotation.

[nfua-44]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Rebuttal? To "you've blown 2 so far?" Depending on the circumstances, either:

1. That's enough.
2. You're restricted to the dugout.
3. You're ejected.

The coach isn't making an argument, so doesn't deserve a rebuttal.

IMHO, for that specific comment or any that starts with a personal reference, and discusses what they feel is a bad call, get rid of #1 & #2, and apply #3. I'm veering off a little from the OP here, because this should be handled by the offended party.

As to the rebuttal, I'm 100% with you there, there is nothing you need to clarify besides the fact that he's done for the day. Zippy one liners can be more problematic than necessary. You come across as making things personal in many cases, which is the reason you have him leaving the game anyway. Don't give him any ammo.

Tom

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by nfua-44

IMHO, for that specific comment or any that starts with a personal reference, and discusses what they feel is a bad call, get rid of #1 & #2, and apply #3. I'm veering off a little from the OP here, because this should be handled by the offended party.

As to the rebuttal, I'm 100% with you there, there is nothing you need to clarify besides the fact that he's done for the day. Zippy one liners can be more problematic than necessary. You come across as making things personal in many cases, which is the reason you have him leaving the game anyway. Don't give him any ammo.

Tom

Why would you take it personally when someone says "you blew that call"? To me that's stating an opinion. You suck, you're terrible, you'll never work here again. Now I dump him. You missed it, you blew it. He's disagreeing with my decision. I can live with that.