tim mcclelland

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Ah,

Kevin, you misunderstand. It was an explanation, not a defense. I use this site as way to become a better umpire and teacher of umpires, not a forum to bash people. I am not sold on the tag at 3B that he was wrong, camera angles can lie.

Obviously he kicked the play at 3B, and it was awful he got himself straightlined on the play. He can defend himself in the media, I don't need to.

Camera angles can lie? That's absolutely incredible, JK. Yours is a defense against perhaps the worst call we have ever seen in a high-profile game.

And this is not bashing. Bashing is senseless and baseless attacking. It originally referred to beating a person because they were gay. That's senseless. This is sensible and worthy and simple criticism of an outrageous mistake by a highly paid professional. And it was made due to laziness, just like his other mistake in this same game, or his giving a playoff game to the Rockies two years back.

An indefensible mistake. Even McClelland can't offer a defense or an excuse.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Wow!

I just read J.K.'s defense of McClelland's latest butchery. Admirable loyalty to a once-great umpire.

I can't wait to hear the others.

...that's the sad part right there.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty:
Wow!

I just read J.K.'s defense of McClelland's latest butchery. Admirable loyalty to a once-great umpire.

I can't wait to hear the others.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

...that's the sad part right there.

It is indeed sad that some will ignore the reality of it all and make excuses for such shoddy and unprofessional work for no reason other than misplaced loyalty to a fellow umpire.

On that we can agree.

[grunewar]

Article - Atrocious umpiring not a factor as Yanks stomp Angels:

"Had the game remained close, then the umpires would have faced their greatest scrutiny yet. Tim McClelland, widely revered as the game's best, horribly botched two plays at third, making it obvious in the process that he wasn't even paying attention to the game in front of him."

NBC Sports - Baseball - Circling the Bases

[KJUmp]

To Grune's point......
"Missed calls and shaky umpiring have been an embarrassment fo Major League Baseball throughout this postseason"
What would the NFL being doing if this type of thing occured in their playoffs?

[robbie]

Since U3 said he thought runner was on base ( as opposed at a snap judgement on the runner touching and being tagged almost at the same time) why after Scioscia came out didn't he simply ask PU if he had an out?
Not the best grammer, but point is there....

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by robbie

why after Scioscia came out didn't he simply ask PU if he had an out?

New at this aren't you?

The PU would have told him to talk to U3 because it was U3's call.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

New at this aren't you?

The PU would have told him to talk to U3 because it was U3's call.

Ummm - No, I'm not.

I suppose I sould cave been clearer. "Him" refers to U3, not to Scioscia. McClelland could have very easily gone to PU ( or crew in general) to ask if he missed something. Surely one of then would have said obvious tag while off the base. McClelland gives the hammer. Play over, Move on.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by robbie

Ummm - No, I'm not.

I suppose I sould cave been clearer. "Him" refers to U3, not to Scioscia. McClelland could have very easily gone to PU ( or crew in general) to ask if he missed something. Surely one of then would have said obvious tag while off the base. McClelland gives the hammer. Play over, Move on.

Robbie, this isn't "kiddie ball", this is the real deal. Each umpire is responsible for his own calls. These guys don't put their call on another umpire like so many amateur umpires do.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by robbie

why after Sosa came out didn't he simply ask PU if he had an out?

I didn't realize that Sammy was in attendance, or that he had came out!

[UmpTTS43]

There should be two openings in MLB next year, Cuzzi and Mcclelland. They don't have to be fired, just put back in AAA until they can handle umpiring in the bigs. If they don't like that, retire and let other guys in.

On second thought, just fire them. Professionals should not make those gross mistakes. I'm tired of the ol' "everybody makes mistakes" reasoning. If my doctor makes a mistake, he's not getting off the hook because some pre-med student made the same mistake. Let's try to have the best officiating the best. I am getting tired of seeing gross mistakes at this level.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

To Grune's point......
"Missed calls and shaky umpiring have been an embarrassment fo Major League Baseball throughout this postseason"
What would the NFL being doing if this type of thing occured in their playoffs?

Grade the officials on every down of the game like always. Some NFL officials don't get a single foul/no-foul call wrong during the entire 17 game season. That is about 2329 consecutive downs without making a mistake (about 137 per game). What do you want the NFL to do because a guy got one wrong during the playoffs?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Grade the officials on every down of the game like always. Some NFL officials don't get a single foul/no-foul call wrong during the entire 17 game season. That is about 2329 consecutive downs without making a mistake (about 137 per game). What do you want the NFL to do because a guy got one wrong during the playoffs?

You're taking my reply the wrong way...the point I was trying to make is the same one you made....the NFL reviews plays an grades officials on every call. If you don't grade out high...you don't work the playoffs.
.I was not being critical of the NFL or their system for rating, evaluating, and advancing officials for post season assignments.

[kylejt]

I can live with Cuzzi's miss, because it wasn't for lack of effort.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

You're taking my reply the wrong way...the point I was trying to make is the same one you made....the NFL reviews plays an grades officials on every call. If you don't grade out high...you don't work the playoffs.
.I was not being critical of the NFL or their system for rating, evaluating, and advancing officials for post season assignments.

For the record, the NFL officials are downgraded for plays that no one knows are a mistake. They get dinged for movement when they are involved and not involved in plays. NFL officials have to move on every play and during dead ball periods. I would not even think it would be fair to even compare the NFL to MLB when MLB might not even have a touch situation or movement during a great deal of the game. I have said this before; it is a lot harder to officiate a football game than it is a baseball game any day. And the NFL turns over their staff often and change people every year. Can MLB say the same thing?

McClellon had one shot at this play and missed it big time. And he did not have to move much to see the play and adjust to get an angle. We have all missed plays. The lesson in this is to never assume anything. You have to get in position to see something. And if guys knew at the MLB level that they will not have a job in a year for these kinds of calls or at the very least sit home during the playoffs, they might do a better job on the routine play like this.

Peace