Balk then missed base

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Yes, PU was correct. But with the appeal, BR no longer reached first safely. The question is whether or not the APPROVED RULING applies to the BR or not and whether or not the balk is enforced.

Rita

Don't have my LL rule book handy but should be the same as OBR.
OBR 8.05 (m) APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule.

The approved ruling doesn't say the BR must reach 1B safely. The appeal of BR missing 1B should be upheld. Game and let's get the heck out of Dodge.

[stratref]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

Don't have my LL rule book handy but should be the same as OBR.
OBR 8.05 (m) APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule.

The approved ruling doesn't say the BR must reach 1B safely. The appeal of BR missing 1B should be upheld. Game and let's get the heck out of Dodge.

Why game? Using OBR this is a time play, the batter runner who advances beyond first and is subsequently out upon appeal for missing first base is deemed to have reached first base for purposes of such time plays. The runner who reached home should still have their run count and we are going to extras.

Jasper

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by stratref

Why game? Using OBR this is a time play, the batter runner who advances beyond first and is subsequently out upon appeal for missing first base is deemed to have reached first base for purposes of such time plays. The runner who reached home should still have their run count and we are going to extras.

Jasper

It's not a time play. The batter's "acquisition" of 1st base is only relevant to determining whether to ignore or enforce the balk. Take the run off. SoCal said it best.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stratref

Why game? Using OBR this is a time play, the batter runner who advances beyond first and is subsequently out upon appeal for missing first base is deemed to have reached first base for purposes of such time plays.

Not true. Appeal outs reflect the status of the runner before the base was missed (e.g., forced, or BR before first). You're apparently confusing this with other instances in which the runner is deemed to have reached the base.

The very first play under "how a run scores" covers this:
Example: One out, Jones on second, Smith on first. The batter, Brown, hits safely. Jones scores. Smith is out on the throw to the plate. Two outs. But Brown missed first base. The ball is thrown to first, an appeal is made, and Brown is out. Three outs. Since Jones crossed the plate during a play in which the third out was made by the batter-runner before he touched first base, Jones’ run does not count.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true. Appeal outs reflect the status of the runner before the base was missed (e.g., forced, or BR before first). You're apparently confusing this with other instances in which the runner is deemed to have reached the base.

Hm. Good point: I suppose OBR 8.05 (m) is the exception to the general rule then.

[ozzy6900]

From the MLBUM

7.8 PENALTY FOR BALK

..............A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal
shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule................................

So the result is, if a proper appeal is made, the BR is out as in any other situation and the run is removed. The balk was satisfied when the BR was assumed safe by the umpire when he passed 1st base.