Girardi/ARod double dip ejection

[Tim C]

"Your account came off sounding like you were standing within earshot and heard the whole conversation. The closest thing there is to a quote on this subject is hearsay."

Dear Fanboy:

Many of the posters on this site have direct conversations with not only Marty but other MLB umpires.

The story of ALL professional umpires of the situation seem to tell the story you have read here.

The conversation DID NOT go as Jeter intoned -- it was very similar to what is posted here AND Marty's crew chief threw him under the bus by speaking to the press BEFORE he even spoke with Marty about what was said.

Take your shots at what was posted but it was VERY ACCURATE.

T

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I will always believe the umpire before the player. If there would be one player that I would believe, it would be Jeter. Everything said about his character and demeanor is true. He is as nice a guy as they come.

I am also uncomfortable with the calling of Jeter a rat. I love this game and respect it to almost no end. Jeter and his play and his achievements are a credit to the game. He's a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer and a champion. Of the 750 players, there are some true rats---there always are. But to brand one and all is preposterous.

Perfect example: Eddie Murray. People everywhere talk down about him, and some can't even stand him. His detractors all have one thing in common: They don't know two things about the guy. He's as classy and decent a guy as there ever was in this game, and I have heard several noted veterans--Winfield, Scioscia, Hershiser, Ripken, Dempsey, Griffin and others--say that Murray's the finest teammate they ever had. But by prejudging him, he's a rat, too. Well, not the way some of us see things.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tim C

The conversation DID NOT go as Jeter intoned -- it was very similar to what is posted here AND Marty's crew chief threw him under the boss by speaking to the press BEFORE he even spoke with Marty about what was said.

Dear Tee:

I am no longer "actively" running the Yankees organization.

Yours truly,
George Steinbrenner

[SanDiegoSteve]

That's funny Mike.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by realistic

I will always believe the umpire before the player. If there would be one player that I would believe, it would be Jeter. Everything said about his character and demeanor is true. He is as nice a guy as they come.

I wouldn't trust Jeter as far as I could throw him, which is not far. All players are rats at heart, no matter what they appear to be on the outside. That is the first lesson taught at umpire school.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I am also uncomfortable with the calling of Jeter a rat. I love this game and respect it to almost no end. Jeter and his play and his achievements are a credit to the game. He's a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer and a champion. Of the 750 players, there are some true rats---there always are. But to brand one and all is preposterous.

"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowingly lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowling lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.

You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.

His public image is awful now, but it wasn't when he played.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

His public image is awful now, but it wasn't when he played.

Thank you.

[Kevin Finnerty]

It was somewhat common knowledge in the 1970s and 80s that Pete Rose had a string of illegitimate children from coast-to-coast. He had a paternity suit array that would make a rock star proud. His womanizing became a true public spectacle by 1984, when he impregnated and married his Philadelphia Eagle cheerleader girlfriend.

Rose also was caught smuggling cash from Japanese autograph shows and selling memorabilia that was reported stolen or sold fraudulently claiming they were used in milestone games.

Pete is infamous for good reason. And his illustrious rampage was rather well-known while he was still in his prime and while he managed.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

It was somewhat common knowledge in the 1970s and 80s that Pete Rose had a string of illegitimate children from coast-to-coast. He had a paternity suit array that would make a rock star proud. His womanizing became a true public spectacle by 1984, when he impregnated and married his Philadelphia Eagle cheerleader girlfriend.

Rose also was caught smuggling cash from Japanese autograph shows and selling memorabilia that was reported stolen or sold fraudulently claiming they were used in milestone games.

Pete is infamous for good reason. And his illustrious rampage was rather well-known while he was still in his prime and while he managed.

What you write of here was not generally known. No doubt some, such as you, were aware, but, according to SI and others who kept track of such things on a current basis, it was not widely known.

Mr. Hustle was what most people saw and thought they knew, and it referred to on the field behavior, not in the alleys.

[Kevin Finnerty]

If you chose to ignore it, then it was not known to you. It was widely known.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

What you write of here was not generally known. No doubt some, such as you, were aware, but, according to SI and others who kept track of such things on a current basis, it was not widely known.

Mr. Hustle was what most people saw and thought they knew, and it referred to on the field behavior, not in the alleys.

I agree. I had never heard of illegitimate children, and I lived in Ohio (where Rose and the Reds played) and saw several Reds games in the 70s.

He was "Charlie Hustle."

[Kevin Finnerty]

Okay, if you never heard of it, then you chose not to.

I was a teenage baseball fan, for crying out loud, and I knew. I knew he was a scumbag and a fraud as far back as the mid-70s. It was public knowledge.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Okay, if you never heard of it, then you chose not to.

I was a teenage baseball fan, for crying out loud, and I knew. I knew he was a scumbag and a fraud as far back as the mid-70s. It was public knowledge.

I went to college with John Bench's former girlfriend, and she pretty much said the exact same things about Bench, Rose and several other Reds. She was a true Reds Annie.