When a crew can't reach a call...

[PeteBooth]

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Originally Posted by TussAgee11

What should a crew do when a play happens and there is adamant disagreement between umpires about what should be done?

Example 1: R1, 1 out. Line drive to F4. BU has "no catch", PU comes up with "catch" () Runner is in total limbo and doesn't know what to do, F4 throws to first to double off runner. Runner advances safely to second.

BU wants a double play because it was the likely outcome had the correct call been made by the calling umpire only, PU is willing to allow the "no catch" and take some $hit for his mess-up, but thinks B/R should be put on first and R1 out. Talk for what is now becoming a long time, who is gonna give way?

Ok I am "late to the party but here goes"

We have a no-catch on the field. (You said the PU conceded the no-ctach call) ok how do we 'fix"

You cannot ASSUME a DP even though it might be the likely outcome.
No matter what happens from here this crew is going to take some heat. Since we had a no catch R1 stays at second base and the BR is out or put R1 back at first and declare the BR out. In any event IMO, since we have a MAJOR screw-up on part of this umpiring crew I would NOT record 2 outs. take some heat and move on.

You cannot have a long talk and delay the game. One of the umpires needs to concede to his partner. If you have one partner who is "bullheaded" rather then have a long drawn out conversation on the field, let this "bullhead" have his say BUT on the same token when the manager comes out to question this simply say 'skip you can talk to him" that's NOT throwing your partner under the bus but, since you deferred the FINAL say to him it is HIS responsibility to now explain it WITHOUT my help.

The time for discussing issues arguing etc. is for POST game away from everybody.

Nobody on, screamer hit at BU's feet in A. He does his best to get a look at it, and decides FOUL. Manager comes and wants help on the play, BU feels he could have kicked it and decides for help. PU says it was inside the line. BU says okay we can go with fair (based on some prior OBR precedent at the MLB level). But BU and PU can't decide on a double or triple... and neither is willing to budge.

This one is easy and if you were playing by FED rules it is spelled out. But even in OBR the ball is FOUL - No need to confer. If you have to confer on this one then this crew is in really bad shape.

Example 3: Appeal play for 3rd out for R2 leaving early on a caught fly. R3 scored on the play. BU has OUT on R2, PU says nix the run. BU comes in and says "whoa now, lets talk." Both umpires feel they are 100% right, and won't budge.

With R2/R3 the PU is responsible for R3's tag up and the BU is responsible for R2's tag up. if the defense is appealing R2 this is the BU's call. Even though both umpires feel they are 100% right the call is the BU and quite frankly the BU on this type of play might have to tell the coach "skip It's MY call PERIOD" and not even entertain his partner.

FWIW if you have situations like the one you describe you better get a new partner or the game will become UGLY in a heartbeat.

Pete Booth