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[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Most people I know have jobs and support their families. Some are actually finacially able from time to time to purchase materials that give them a leg up as to knowing the rules and their interps better. Thus, they find a way such as using a game fee or two to purchase these materials.

I don't think anyone is making a killing working baseball as an umpire. They simply have a thrist for knowledge and want to be the best they can be.

But many people, while supporting their families, cannot afford every single publication that is available. So answering a question about an interp by saying "buy the book" is unacceptable.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

But many people, while supporting their families, cannot afford every single publication that is available. So answering a question about an interp by saying "buy the book" is unacceptable.

Okay, how about this: Forget the MLBUM. The answer is in the rulebook. Buy the book.

I'm assuming it is acceptable to expect umpires to afford a rulebook.

[jwwashburn]

It is free online

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Okay, how about this: Forget the MLBUM. The answer is in the rulebook. Buy the book.

I'm assuming it is acceptable to expect umpires to afford a rulebook.

Why not just answer the question like I normally do. I am forever answering rules questions for some of the most obvious answers, yet I never come out with, "hey, buy the book." Just post the rule instead of pointing out what book to find the rule in. Is that too much to friggin' ask here? Sheesh

[TussAgee11]

Nevermind the fact that posting copyrighted material is definitely illegal.

I'm cool with posting rules (heck, OBR rules are available on PDF), and obviously discussing these manuals is within the scope of fair use. But its unrealistic to say "I can't afford these things" and then want to have the benefit of coming on here to acquire the knowledge they provide. No different than pirating music or movies really.

Forum would be boring if nothing could be quoted, but I don't think that we should expect a total free flow of information either.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Nevermind the fact that posting copyrighted material is definitely illegal.

I'm cool with posting rules (heck, OBR rules are available on PDF), and obviously discussing these manuals is within the scope of fair use. But its unrealistic to say "I can't afford these things" and then want to have the benefit of coming on here to acquire the knowledge they provide. No different than pirating music or movies really.

Forum would be boring if nothing could be quoted, but I don't think that we should expect a total free flow of information either.

You are a good scout, son.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why not just answer the question like I normally do. I am forever answering rules questions for some of the most obvious answers, yet I never come out with, "hey, buy the book." Just post the rule instead of pointing out what book to find the rule in. Is that too much to friggin' ask here? Sheesh

Give a man a rule.......
Teach him to find the rule......

Which helps more in the long run?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Give a man a rule.......
Teach him to find the rule......

Which helps more in the long run?

Okay, in that case, I don't want to see one more rule cited on this forum. From now on, everybody look up the answers and quit asking questions. That's the way to run a discussion forum, yeah that's the ticket. Let's just stick to watching blown umpire calls and threads about which jock itch cream works the best. That'll be an interesting forum.

Because of who asked the question, the answers were smart-mouthed. If one of the "elect" among us had asked, everyone would have been tripping all over themselves to quote every manual on the planet, but since SAUmp asked, it's time to play the "look it up in the book" card. Lame.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Because of who asked the question, the answers were smart-mouthed. If one of the "elect" among us had asked, everyone would have been tripping all over themselves to quote every manual on the planet, but since SAUmp asked, it's time to play the "look it up in the book" card. Lame.

You reap what you sow.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Okay, in that case, I don't want to see one more rule cited on this forum. From now on, everybody look up the answers and quit asking questions. That's the way to run a discussion forum, yeah that's the ticket. Let's just stick to watching blown umpire calls and threads about which jock itch cream works the best. That'll be an interesting forum.

Because of who asked the question, the answers were smart-mouthed. If one of the "elect" among us had asked, everyone would have been tripping all over themselves to quote every manual on the planet, but since SAUmp asked, it's time to play the "look it up in the book" card. Lame.

So all of a sudden you want absolute uniformity in posts? Okay, I love riding my motorcycle in a manner that endagers others, I am losing weight, MLB umpires suck, I always wear a cup except when I don't....is that better?

Using extremes to argue a point is a technique best employed by those who have no point to make. Your post resembles my mother's old rationale...."And I suppose if everyone (fill in the blank), you would, too?"

I would have expected you to understand that there is a time for different learning methods.

In regards to your second paragraph, this in one of the few times I've agreed with Rich Ives.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Your post resembles my mother's old rationale...."And I suppose if everyone (fill in the blank), you would, too?"

Solid, sage advice from your elders. You should follow it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

So all of a sudden you want absolute uniformity in posts? Okay, I love riding my motorcycle in a manner that endagers others, I am losing weight, MLB umpires suck, I always wear a cup except when I don't....is that better?

Are you really that dense that you didn't see that I was pointing out absurdity by being intentionally absurd? I want to see rules posted, interps given when asked for, and very little "go buy yourself the book" type answers. I have plenty of the reference materials being discussed here. Evans, MLBUM, J/R, BRD, FED books, OBR books galore, Knotty Problems, 100 Problems With The Rules, etc..... But if I have a question that I'm not sure of, I don't want to be afraid to ask the question without getting a wise-a$s answer.