Which pitches are strikes?

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by cc6

Do you reward the catcher's framing on the last one?

Why would you "reward" that or really anything? The guy knows how to catch a ball correctly, big deal.

When you are setup further out than "cup on the corner" (ie. line up with your cup on the outside corner), I don't even know why you'd bother framing. Well, I guess I do know why, but I don't know why anyone would buy into it.

[Kevin Finnerty]

One of those could have been a strike.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

One of those could have been a strike.

I might even go with the second as a strike....but the third....NO WAY!

[jicecone]

Ah, quit your whinning, you looked at three hittable pitches, didn't take the bat off your shoulders once and call yourself a hitter. Sit your butt down.

Actually it was a little outside but, sometimes s**t happens baby.

[scarolinablue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Ah, quit your whinning, you looked at three hittable pitches, didn't take the bat off your shoulders once and call yourself a hitter. Sit your butt down.

Actually it was a little outside but, sometimes s**t happens baby.

You're kidding, right?!? Maybe the first, but the second and third pitches, I'd be embarrassed if I was the PU and saw this video of these strike calls.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Like he said.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

You're kidding, right?!? Maybe the first, but the second and third pitches, I'd be embarrassed if I was the PU and saw this video of these strike calls.

And I would be more embarrased as a hitter. He didn't complain about the pitches until the third one and I agree it was outside but, by then he should of known she was calling the pitch in that area and taken the dang bat off his shoulder. Any batter that allows three borderline pitches to go by and stand there and look like he can't wait to get back on defense, don't deserve to stand there long.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Like he said.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by jicecone

And I would be more embarrased as a hitter. He didn't complain about the pitches until the third one and I agree it was outside but, by then he should of known she was calling the pitch in that area and taken the dang bat off his shoulder. Any batter that allows three borderline pitches to go by and stand there and look like he can't wait to get back on defense, don't deserve to stand there long.

You should learn more about batting. And at what point in the game do you advise a batter should "take the bat off his shoulder" on a pitch a foot outside?

Two of those pitches were not "borderline," and their being called a strike is a disgrace to umpiring and as illuminated above, should be an embarrassment to any umpire caught on tape calling it.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

And I would be more embarrased as a hitter. He didn't complain about the pitches until the third one and I agree it was outside but, by then he should of known she was calling the pitch in that area and taken the dang bat off his shoulder. Any batter that allows three borderline pitches to go by and stand there and look like he can't wait to get back on defense, don't deserve to stand there long.

Maybe the batter thought, hmm I guess that was a strike(or he usually takes the first pitch)

Then, wow...that seemed outside.

Then the last one was preposterous.

You are actually blaming a batter for not arguing balls and strikes?

The batter deserved to be 3-0 or at worst 2-1.

That umpire is awful.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

You're kidding, right?!? Maybe the first, but the second and third pitches, I'd be embarrassed if I was the PU and saw this video of these strike calls.

Only maybe for the first pitch? I've got a strike all game on that one, and I don't think anybody would question me. It was over the plate. The second one could be called a strike as well- it is hittable by anybody who can go the other way. The third pitch was outside.

[JPaco54]

I thought a strike had to cover any white portion of the plate. All three of these pitches never hit any white portion of the plate. Most of you state that the first one was or could be called a strike or that if it is hittable it is a strike. Is a hittable ball a strike? It is easy to see from this view but the PU view is a little different. If they are hittable I guess all three are strikes. That is a big hitter with a big bat, I assume the PU thought the same thing, "Just hit the dang thing man"! If it were me and with my lean experience and 50ish eyes I would have 2 balls and 1 stike on the batter, on a good day.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

Why would you "reward" that or really anything? The guy knows how to catch a ball correctly, big deal.

When you are setup further out than "cup on the corner" (ie. line up with your cup on the outside corner), I don't even know why you'd bother framing. Well, I guess I do know why, but I don't know why anyone would buy into it.

I agree. Never heard the term "cup on the corner" but is that a good way to reference when the catcher is too far for framing to do the pitcher any good?

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by cc6

I agree. Never heard the term "cup on the corner" but is that a good way to reference when the catcher is too far for framing to do the pitcher any good?

I like to think it is, but that's just because it works for me. You figure if the guy has his cup on the corner, or more generally the middle of his body, a ball that he catches straight at him is probably right on the corner. To his right (on a lefty) gets the plate. Anything to his left (on a lefty) is a ball. The further out he moves, the less of a chance he has of being anywhere near the zone.