The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 11:56am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,716
"First of all I have to ask, do you continue to stay in the courtroom and try and covince the jury your are right after they have ruled against you?"

Somehow, I just can't believe that you STILL don't agree.
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 12:38pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by jicecone View Post
"First of all I have to ask, do you continue to stay in the courtroom and try and covince the jury your are right after they have ruled against you?"

Somehow, I just can't believe that you STILL don't agree.
In a recent thread, a boisterous group of individuals stated the possible outcome of a game was based on the determination of whether or not interference as defined by the rules applied to the OP. It was determined by the majority opinion that it was impossible to interfere with an errant throw. When badgered for a ruling, caseplay or authoritative opinion, members of the group simply refused to reply. Other members from both sides sat on the sidelines not wanting to enter the fray while both sides repeatedly stated which rules applied or did not apply. Well, now the ball is back in your court. I still have simple interference. Of course I try to make it as least complicated as possible.

No slight-of-hand magic here.
I made myself clear in post #1.
Wendelstedt and Roder's ruling were available long ago.
Does it answer OP in original thread? I'll never know because it was deleted.
All along, I thought GA Umpire was relying on previous experience and knowledge
How does WR compare to OP, to Roder? Nor do I wish to tell-it-all-by-myself-all-over-again.
I see members of the discussion have been influenced by previous blind-test results.
Funny how I managed to slip in Roder's opinion, prior to Wendies.

To answer your question. Interference. Why? See Roder.
Let me know when valid blind-test results from Roder's decision are back.

Read your interp from start to finish, especially the part underneath your BOLD emphasis.

See Roder, Pg 115-116. "Interference by an Offensive Teammate"
Read VI, VI(b), VI(1), VI(2), Penalty (a), Note ruling for interference without a play, and Ex 1.
__________________
SAump

Last edited by SAump; Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:56pm.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 12:43pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
You are simply still wrong. The ruling was given in a timely fashion. You asked for an authoritive opinion, Josh emailed the Wendelstedts, they replied, GA Umpire posted the results. Game, Set, Match to us. You lose. Go home. Game Over.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 01:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,577
The Evidence?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
You are simply still wrong. The ruling was given in a timely fashion. You asked for an authoritive opinion, Josh emailed the Wendelstedts, they replied, GA Umpire posted the results. Game, Set, Match to us. You lose. Go home. Game Over.
Timely fashion. I am suppose to divulge the Wendelstedt Ruling within minutes of receipt.
3rd party provided Roder info which suggests otherwise. Have you even considered the Roder document? Please do tell.

JEA - if an overthrow should touch a coach, the umpire should determine if the coach used his best efforts to avoid the overthrow and/or fielder or whether his actions were palpably designed to interfere.

See Tee may concur with your assessment, but based on previous "ridiculous" statements and omissions of fact, previous actions speak for themselves.
__________________
SAump

Last edited by SAump; Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:58pm.
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 01:12pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAump View Post
Timely fashion. I am suppose to divulge the Wendelstedt Ruling within minutes of receipt.
No continuation? 3rd party info, Roder suggests otherwise. Have you even considered the Roder document? Please do tell.
Okay, now I just plain don't understand WTF you're talking about. Pretty early in the day to be hitting the pipe, isn't it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SAump View Post
JEA - if an overthrow should touch a coach, the umpire should determine if the coach used his best efforts to avoid the overthrow and/or fielder or whether his actions were palpably designed to interfere.
What if the on deck hitter didn't see the throw coming his way as he was clearing the bat? What if my aunt had balls? Would she be my uncle? We weren't there, so based on what the OP stated, there was no interference, and that's what Harry/Hunter said.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 01:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: West of Atlanta, GA
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAump View Post
All along, I thought GA Umpire was relying on previous experience and knowledge
This was presented by me to Wendelstedt at 9:37 AM on July 27, 2009. Well after this discussion was started. So, I did use prior knowledge of 7.11 to come to the conclusion of no INT.

Look at their site if you want but it has only been there just over 24 hours from now.
__________________
Question everything until you get an irrefutable or understandable answer...Don't settle for "That's Just the Way it is"
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 01:36pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,577
Evidence is Weak

Quote:
This is similar to a situation where the basecoach gets in the way of a first baseman moving over to field a batted ball clearly in the stands. Since the ball could not reasonably be played on, it cannot be interference even though the basecoach was not able to get out of his way.
This is not the same for a thrown ball, obviously, as the rule book provides that a basecoach that unintentionally interferes with a thrown ball will not be called for interference.
Something tells me Wendies' boy is discussing a batted fly ball over foul territory at TOI.

You really want me to believe this interp as baseball gospel?
His interpretation supports a 1stBC in his coaching box at TOI on IF throw. See JEA and 3.15.
Hardly supports action of non-participant, or throw from the OF to HP.
Rule calls for no interference on throw from OF through ODC.

Gee, can't we agree to disagree and you GO AWAY!
Other people who know what they are talking about may wish to say something logical.
__________________
SAump

Last edited by SAump; Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:49pm.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 28, 2009, 04:17pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAump View Post
Gee, can't we agree to disagree
We can all agree to it, in fact, we've all tried it. You're the one who keeps harping on it.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Suggested CP for a Young Lady Umpire cruzercapt Baseball 19 Fri Sep 12, 2008 07:50pm
Suggested CP for a Young Lady Umpire cruzercapt Softball 7 Thu Sep 11, 2008 08:57pm
Great Reading Material! ranjo Basketball 3 Wed Feb 15, 2006 07:59pm
Suggested FED rule changes ChuckElias Basketball 21 Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:45pm
Suggested reading buckrog64 Basketball 9 Thu May 26, 2005 02:40pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1