Help me figure this out

[Ump29]

Award should be 2 base from time of throw. From OP R1 (just past 2nd at TOT) would get home. BR would get 2 bases from TOT (not mentioned in OP) so could be from 2nd (if not at 1st at TOT) to 3rd (if past 1 at TOT).

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Ump29

Award should be 2 base from time of throw. From OP R1 (just past 2nd at TOT) would get home. BR would get 2 bases from TOT (not mentioned in OP) so could be from 2nd (if not at 1st at TOT) to 3rd (if past 1 at TOT).

The problem is that R1 was not in the picture at the TOT. He could have been 1 step short of it and then touched after the throw. Tough to tell anything about where R1 and BR.

To me, without better timing shots of R1 and BR with TOT, I can only say the umpires got it right. As zm stated, inconclusive of where to put R1 and BR.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Checking the position of the runners at the time of the throw is something that should be stressed more than it is. That facet of umpiring sometimes gets glossed over. Clinicians and instructors need to drill it into the umpires so that it's a natural habit to develop.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Checking the position of the runners at the time of the throw is something that should be stressed more than it is. That facet of umpiring sometimes gets glossed over. Clinicians and instructors need to drill it into the umpires so that it's a natural habit to develop.

Very true, and not always an easy thing to do, especially on plays with multiple throws and a lot of other stuff to look for.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Ump29

Award should be 2 base from time of throw. From OP R1 (just past 2nd at TOT) would get home. BR would get 2 bases from TOT (not mentioned in OP) so could be from 2nd (if not at 1st at TOT) to 3rd (if past 1 at TOT).

Involves two runners between the same bases. Lets say the umpire ruled R1 had passed 2B at TOT and R2 had not passed 3B at TOT. R2 is awarded two bases {home} and R1 is awarded one base {3B}. It also makes sense that the throw home, TOT, took place before BR reached 1B and B/R is awarded 2 bases {2B}.

This may have happened, but it also leaves room for argument about what really happened during the real play which is not subject to instant replay.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

Involves two runners between the same bases. Lets say the umpire ruled R1 had passed 2B at TOT and R2 had not passed 3B at TOT. R2 is awarded home and R1 is awarded 3B.

Not true, even if the pitch was a rising fastball.

Both runners are awarded home in your example.

If both runners were between first and second, then the lead runner is awarded two bases (third) while the trailing runner only gets one base (second). Clearly not what happened in the OP.