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[Ump153]

The San Diego catcher did not argue the call. He stated both to the press and to the author of As They See 'Em that he did not argue the call only because it was McClelland who made it.

The Padres manager made a similar statement.

I suppose if McLelland had the advantge of seeing the play in slo-mo and from four different angles, he may have made a different call. In real time, from his positioning he made his call. Get over it.

McLelland made the correct call in the Brett episode by the rule in existance at the time. And he made the call only after be asked to examine the Bat by Billy Martin. He conferred with his crew chief who agreed with the call, and, if fact, offered to announce the call and call Brett out. To his credit, rookie McLelland said it was his call and he would make it.

Later MLB hung him out to dry with the "spirit of the rule" statement.

It should be noted that Brett was warned in a preivious game about the pine tar on his bat, AND after the incident, his bats never had as much pine tar. And remember how Brett and Royals tried to hide the bat? Rats all the way.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

I suppose if McLelland had the advantge of seeing the play in slo-mo and from four different angles, he may have made a different call. In real time, from his positioning he made his call. Get over it.

I had it right in live action. I saw him miss the plate by plenty when it went down. And I was just watching on TV, not right on top of the play. I very rarely blow calls in my games, too. I can't remember missing one by as big a margin as that one was missed.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I had it right in live action. I saw him miss the plate by plenty when it went down. And I was just watching on TV, not right on top of the play. I very rarely blow calls in my games, too. I can't remember missing one by as big a margin as that one was missed.

Couldn't be any more obvious on live TV. How could he get one wrong by such a big margin?

Major League Baseball: Media Player

[SanDiegoSteve]

Thank you Luke, the video shows it clearly to me.

[Kevin Finnerty]

McLelland couldn't even adequately explain that call to the rest of his crew after he made it.

And because one catcher didn't argue one call, that means McLelland is one of the most respected umpires among the players.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

McLelland couldn't even adequately explain that call to the rest of his crew after he made it.

If you are referring to the Brett call, you are mistaken, at least according to the crew chief who discussed the situation with McLelland BEFORE the call was made.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I'm referring to the Padres-Rockies one where he ended a team's season, not the one where he took a mid-season homer away.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

McLelland couldn't even adequately explain that call to the rest of his crew after he made it.

And you were listening in on the post-game conversation how?

[Kevin Finnerty]

I was given an account by two of the participants at two different times that echoed each other's.

But that's okay; it was a great effort and a great call with everything on the line, and we are all privileged to watch the work of one of the profession's true greats.

There, how's that?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I saw the play plain as day, when it happened. Prove I didn't or STFU.

It was proved. We all saw the video in the link. That is from TBS; what you saw on your TV. From that original shot in real time it is impossible to be sure about anything.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by LDUB

It was proved. We all saw the video in the link. That is from TBS; what you saw on your TV. From that original shot in real time it is impossible to be sure about anything.

You may be right. McClelland had a really bad angle on the play. Who's fault was that? And I couldn't get the link to work. I'm going on memory from the live play, saying "safe, he didn't touch the plate!," yelling it over and over, before they ever showed a replay.

Hey, I'm really sorry that McClelland blew the call, but blow it he did. If he didn't see it, it was because he was screened by the catcher, which means he had a poor angle.

If it were Doug Eddings, C.B. Bucknor or Angel Hernandez or other unpopular umpire, everyone would be jumping all over him. But no, we dare not criticize Tim McClelland. What, we build a shrine? How about that horrible call against the Twins last night? Wow, talk about a gross miss! Are we going to stick up for that call too, just because we're "brother umpires." What a crock. If a pro or and amateur misses a call, there is nothing wrong with saying so.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You may be right. McClelland had a really bad angle on the play. Who's fault was that? And I couldn't get the link to work. I'm going on memory from the live play, saying "safe, he didn't touch the plate!," yelling it over and over, before they ever showed a replay.

Hey, I'm really sorry that McClelland blew the call, but blow it he did. If he didn't see it, it was because he was screened by the catcher, which means he had a poor angle.

If it were Doug Eddings, C.B. Bucknor or Angel Hernandez or other unpopular umpire, everyone would be jumping all over him. But no, we dare not criticize Tim McClelland. What, we build a shrine? How about that horrible call against the Twins last night? Wow, talk about a gross miss! Are we going to stick up for that call too, just because we're "brother umpires." What a crock. If a pro or and amateur misses a call, there is nothing wrong with saying so.

McClelland is not immune to criticism anymore than Hernandez, Bucknor or Eddings are. The fact is he blew a critical call, and people can discuss the ramifications of it just like as would for any unpopular umpire.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You may be right. McClelland had a really bad angle on the play. Who's fault was that? And I couldn't get the link to work. I'm going on memory from the live play, saying "safe, he didn't touch the plate!," yelling it over and over, before they ever showed a replay.

Hey, I'm really sorry that McClelland blew the call, but blow it he did. If he didn't see it, it was because he was screened by the catcher, which means he had a poor angle.

If it were Doug Eddings, C.B. Bucknor or Angel Hernandez or other unpopular umpire, everyone would be jumping all over him. But no, we dare not criticize Tim McClelland. What, we build a shrine? How about that horrible call against the Twins last night? Wow, talk about a gross miss! Are we going to stick up for that call too, just because we're "brother umpires." What a crock. If a pro or and amateur misses a call, there is nothing wrong with saying so.

No

That is Mike Muchlinski... a guy who takes time out of his busy schedule to come up to the NW and train our new guys...
So he missed the call, we have all been there...Mike is a guy (like Drake et al) who will be the next generation of full time umpires..
A guy with solid mechanics and great presence on the field.

Nuff said

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Wow. I'm surprised you're not in the Show. You apparently are good enough.

He's laid claim before that he was good enough.