Taking signs while off the rubber - with a twist

[jicecone]

Ah!!!!!!!!

The arrogant official.

Thanks for validifying my point guys.

I am sure though, your nose is too far in the sky to care.

[johnnyg08]

Sometimes when they ask a simple question, I will answer them...for me it depends on how the game is going...if I haven't had any issues up to this point, I'll simply say that he's waiting for you to get set in the box. I will not explain the rule...I think another poster had stated..."nope, he's good" and we play on. Ultimately we are there to umpire the game and they are there to play the game. Sometimes we have to give attitude, sometimes we can simply answer the question.

[GA Umpire]

Take it as you want. The umpire is not there to put on a rules clinic. If they want one, go to one. I think I am going to start taking Tim_C's attitude on these things and say "Go hug a tree".

The coach is there to teach him. The umpire is there to call the game. If something happens that the coach doesn't understand, then he is the one to talk to the umpire and get a clear understanding. If he doesn't have a problem with it, then his players don't have a problem with it.

Pretty simple philosophy isn't it? Coach teaches, umpire calls. What about that doesn't the batter get? If he has a question, ask his coach and his coach can ask the umpire if he can't explain it himself. Nothing arrogant about that.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

Take it as you want. The umpire is not there to put on a rules clinic. If they want one, go to one. I think I am going to start taking Tim_C's attitude on these things and say "Go hug a tree".

The coach is there to teach him. The umpire is there to call the game. If something happens that the coach doesn't understand, then he is the one to talk to the umpire and get a clear understanding. If he doesn't have a problem with it, then his players don't have a problem with it.

Pretty simple philosophy isn't it? Coach teaches, umpire calls. What about that doesn't the batter get? If he has a question, ask his coach and his coach can ask the umpire if he can't explain it himself. Nothing arrogant about that.

I don't disagree a simple "He is fine" would be suffice however, that is not what was stated.

[LMan]

I think a "he's fine, now let's play" would be sufficient and appropriate.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Ah!!!!!!!!

The arrogant official.

Thanks for validifying my point guys.

I am sure though, your nose is too far in the sky to care.

Hmmm, I have to take issue here. It isn't arrogant to tell a player to mind his own business and to concentrate on his own job. What it is is preventative maintenance.

We aren't allowed to coach the players, and they aren't allowed to coach us. Little Bucky Beaver shouldn't be worried about where the pitcher is taking his signs. That's our job. Do we grab his bat and say, "here's how it's done, son?" No. So he has no business trying to interject his opinions about the rules. If he wants to become an umpire, he will first have to change clothes.

[jicecone]

Steve, I guess its ok for us to POINT to who calls time out so we can keep everyone happy and it makes us look like we really know what were doing but, when we get a chance to verbally let them know, then we don't want to play the part anymore because it may look like were human beings under that uniform. Heaven forbid that evers happens.

To bad respect isn't just as easy as singing about it like Aretha Franklin did.

Then again, some may just not care, whatever.

[waltjp]

Let me clarify a few points. I'm not a hard *** when I ump. If someone asks a legit question I'll answer it as best I can in the time allowed. Like others have said, I'm not out there to conduct a rule's clinic.

This particular batter had been stepping out all night and calling time when at bat. By the time he asked about the pitcher taking signals I was out of patience with him. And even with that my answer may have been different if his tone was different.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Let me clarify a few points. I'm not a hard *** when I ump. If someone asks a legit question I'll answer it as best I can in the time allowed. Like others have said, I'm not out there to conduct a rule's clinic.

This particular batter had been stepping out all night and calling time when at bat. By the time he asked about the pitcher taking signals I was out of patience with him. And even with that my answer may have been different if his tone was different.

I agree, we should not be holding rules clinics. I was just basing my comments on the original thread. Given the new information, I probably would have handled it the same.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by waltjp

This particular batter had been stepping out all night and calling time when at bat.

Shame on you for letting him get away with that.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Shame on you for letting him get away with that.

Maybe you can be specific and tell me exactly what I let him get away with so I can correct it next time.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Maybe you can be specific and tell me exactly what I let him get away with so I can correct it next time.

You don't say whether you granted time at every request, but that would be one thing (if your request here is serious). You're probably aware that 6.02(d) prohibits the batter from stepping out of the box after most pitches. It has penalties, depending on what happens.

Slow batters make slow pitchers, and slow pitchers make long games.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by waltjp

This particular batter had been stepping out all night and calling time when at bat.

Batters do not call time, they ask for time. Umpires call time, but not every time it is asked for.