Set position stop

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I am questioning the definition of a "complete and discernible" stop. What determines that?

According to Evan's balk video -- the hands finish moving down before the leg begins moving up.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

According to Evan's balk video -- the hands finish moving down before the leg begins moving up.

This is how I was taught way back when. Must have gotten that info from similar sources as Mr. Evans did.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This is how I was taught way back when. Must have gotten that info from similar sources as Mr. Evans did.

Doubtful.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Doubtful.

What do you mean, doubtful? I learned how to umpire from pro school grads, MiLB and MLB umpires. So I believe those would be similar to Jim Evans' sources, as he learned from professionals as well. You shouldn't make smart as$ comments when you don't know WTF you're talking about.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What do you mean, doubtful? I learned how to umpire from pro school grads, MiLB and MLB umpires. So I believe those would be similar to Jim Evans' sources, as he learned from professionals as well. You shouldn't make smart as$ comments when you don't know WTF you're talking about.

So because you "learned to umpire from proschool grads, etc" that means you had the sources Evans had? Nope. At best you may have learned from those who learned from him.

I know that the sources Jim relied on when formulating his interpretations didn't include anyone you had access to. That's not smart a$$, that's a fact.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

So because you "learned to umpire from proschool grads, etc" that means you had the sources Evans had? Nope. At best you may have learned from those who learned from him.

I know that the sources Jim relied on when formulating his interpretations didn't include anyone you had access to. That's not smart a$$, that's a fact.

First off, I said "similar" sources, not "identical" sources. Learn to read. I didn't learn from people who learned from him, I learned LONG before Jim Evans even dreamed of having an umpire school or any balk video. The people I learned from are the people that Jim Evans worked with and went to umpire school with.

Secondly, I had access to Paul Runge, Doug Harvey and Mike Winters. I've also umpired with Mike and Ray DiMuro as well as Brian Runge, not to mention the tons of MiLB umpires I've had the pleasure of calling some games with. When I was coming up, our association had as guest speakers John Kibler, Ed Runge, Shag Crawford, Emmit Ashford, Eric Gregg and several other top-level officials. These people did not attend Jim Evans Umpire Academy.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

First off, I said "similar" sources, not "identical" sources. Learn to read. I didn't learn from people who learned from him, I learned LONG before Jim Evans even dreamed of having an umpire school or any balk video. The people I learned from are the people that Jim Evans worked with and went to umpire school with.

Secondly, I had access to Paul Runge, Doug Harvey and Mike Winters. I've also umpired with Mike and Ray DiMuro as well as Brian Runge, not to mention the tons of MiLB umpires I've had the pleasure of calling some games with. When I was coming up, our association had as guest speakers John Kibler, Ed Runge, Shag Crawford, Emmit Ashford, Eric Gregg and several other top-level officials. These people did not attend Jim Evans Umpire Academy.

Wow. Guest speakers. Imagine that.

Okay, exactly how long ago did you formulate your postion on this topic? Hmm? And with whom did you consult before finalizing your opinion? And was this before or after your stint in the majors?

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Paul Runge, Doug Harvey and Mike Winters. [...] Mike and Ray DiMuro as well as Brian Runge, [...] John Kibler, Ed Runge, Shag Crawford, Emmit Ashford, Eric Gregg

Are you Sid Hartman? You seem to know a lot of people. (This is a small joke for MN people, but Sid has "close personal friends" everywhere, so others might get it too.)

[DG]

Looks ok to me.