The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jun 17, 2009, 11:08pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
He's the official representative of the school.
Good for him. That and $.99 will get him a dollar menu fry.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
I said he has [sole] authority over the use of the field.
Based on the laws in what jurisdiction?
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jun 17, 2009, 11:22pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Upper Midwest
Posts: 928
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett View Post
Based on the laws in what jurisdiction?
If it's at his school, pretty much all of them.

Whether the state HS association has granted the ability for a unilateral decision by an AD to terminate a game held on his grounds is different from whether he has the legal authority to do so.
__________________
"I don't think I'm very happy. I always fall asleep to the sound of my own screams...and then I always get woken up to the sound of my own screams. Do you think I'm unhappy?"
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jun 17, 2009, 11:52pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett View Post
Good for him. That and $.99 will get him a dollar menu fry.



Based on the laws in what jurisdiction?
You added the [sole] to my post. Very bad form.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jun 17, 2009, 11:54pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett View Post
Good for him. That and $.99 will get him a dollar menu fry.


Betcha that menu fry that if you need someone for crowd control you'll think he IS the offfical rep of the school.

Can't have it both ways.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong

Last edited by Rich Ives; Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 11:57pm.
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 05:34am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,044
For all those sports officials that think that the AD can not suspend the game.

In general, the UIC/PU is in control of the diamond, BUT, the situation we are discussing has nothing to do with the general rules of baseball. It has to do with a school official and his jurisdiction with regard to the field conditions.

99.9999999999...........................% of the time, when the umpires use their good judgement and notify the proper school authority to fix a problem on the field that causes a safety hazard, the school authority or coach will complain that you are the first umpires that have made an issue about the alleged problem. But in the case being discussed, the AD is being proactive with regard to the condition of the field and is using his position as the home school representative, to insure that the safety of the players come first. As I have stated in an earlier post, take your game fee check and take your wife/girl friend/mistress (or all three) out to a nice dinner and be thankful for this AD.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 05:37am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,428
A friend of mine ejected the AD from a basketball game and directed security to escort him from the court. They complied. The AD can tell the coaches what to do, but not the officials. Dump the AD if you have to.
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 06:38am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: CT
Posts: 2,439
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock View Post
A friend of mine ejected the AD from a basketball game and directed security to escort him from the court. They complied. The AD can tell the coaches what to do, but not the officials. Dump the AD if you have to.
Absolutely correct, if the AD is trying to be an idiot.

In this case, however, he was acting properly and looking out for the students and I would not argue with him at all.
__________________
When in doubt, bang 'em out!
Ozzy
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 07:48am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzy6900 View Post
Absolutely correct, if the AD is trying to be an idiot.

In this case, however, he was acting properly and looking out for the students and I would not argue with him at all.
Nor would I. But the notion that the AD has any authority over a baseball game in progress is ridiculous. He has the same authority as an assistant coach - none.
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 08:09am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: West of Atlanta, GA
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_riprock View Post
Nor would I. But the notion that the AD has any authority over a baseball game in progress is ridiculous. He has the same authority as an assistant coach - none.
Which again comes back to a previous post. AD tried to stop the game and the umpire told him no. All he did was go pout in a corner until the umpire called the game. Some authority. Or, at least, impressive way to show it. Don't you think?
__________________
Question everything until you get an irrefutable or understandable answer...Don't settle for "That's Just the Way it is"
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 08:41am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Newburgh NY
Posts: 1,822
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
On what planet do athletic directors have property rights at a high school? They have no more say-so than the coach, the math teacher, or the janitor. I would call the game for my own convenience and profit, but not out of some sense that the AD was some authority over me. He may boss his school's coaches around, but I'll be damned if I let an AD run my business.
Steve for the most part I agree HOWEVER, it might be semantics but there is a distinction between officials being in charge of the GAME and in charge of a FIELD.

I once did a night game (no curfew at least to my or my partner's knowledge nor to the particpants). We were in the top half of nine (men's league game) in a close ball game.

It was 11PM and all of a sudden the superintendent of the field we were playing on said - GAME OVER right then and there. In fact we no sooner got off the field and the lights were turned off.

The point is the Decision to continue or stop a game is OURS HOWEVER, the FIELD per say is not ours. If someone OWNS the field and they say GAME OVER = GAME OVER.

The STATUS of that game is now in the hands of the "powers to be"

Same is pretty much true in MLB. It's not until a League OFFICIAL gets involved that the game is cancelled etc. We have seen some pretty horrific conditions in MLB and the game continued. The Montreal Expos / Dodger series many years back when it was snowing comes to mind.

Pete Booth
__________________
Peter M. Booth
Reply With Quote
  #41 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 08:58am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteBooth View Post
It was 11PM and all of a sudden the superintendent of the field we were playing on said - GAME OVER right then and there. In fact we no sooner got off the field and the lights were turned off.

The point is the Decision to continue or stop a game is OURS HOWEVER, the FIELD per say is not ours. If someone OWNS the field and they say GAME OVER = GAME OVER.

The STATUS of that game is now in the hands of the "powers to be"
And my point is that the AD does not "own" the field unless his name is on the title deed. He is but a glorified employee of the school. ADs have never intimidated nor particularly impressed me one iota. Now, the "superintendent of the field" would be a different story, but the AD is not the superintendent.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
Reply With Quote
  #42 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 10:07am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
You added the [sole] to my post. Very bad form.
Had I added it without calling attention to the fact that is was added editorially (with the brackets) for clarification to the point you were trying to make, I'd agree with you. It's common practice when quoting someone to add or modify words when necessary to give context to a quote without the surrounding context of the original quote or to help the flow of the sentence. Don't like it? Too bad.
Reply With Quote
  #43 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 10:19am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
But in the case being discussed, the AD is being proactive with regard to the condition of the field and is using his position as the home school representative, to insure that the safety of the players come first.
Which case are you discussing? The OP stated the umpire got the feeling that the AD was trying to get home because it was "only" a FROSH doubleheader.

If what you're stating were the case, I'd whole heartedly agree with you.

If what the OP thought was correct and the AD was trying to cheat the players out of a double header because he wanted to get home, shame on him.

I usually work with "game management" an give their input quite a bit of weight when it comes to matters like this. However, when I get the sense that adults are putting their interests ahead of the interests of the child players involved; I have no problem taking a stand. If the AD wants to go home that bad, he can pull his team and forfeit both games.
Reply With Quote
  #44 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 10:50am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1
I would have a problem with the AD butting in in this situation. Now if there was a nasty thunderstorm on the way, i could understand. Let's not forget, this is about field conditions. Once the game starts, the umpires are the SOLE authority as to whether conditions are fit to play. The umpires are in charge of the game, not the AD.
Reply With Quote
  #45 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jun 18, 2009, 11:05am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: illinois
Posts: 251
Its the A.D. that has to explain the early end of the contest. If I got my check, bye bye.... Why the pissing match? Let him be the big shot............
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
And you though WE have problems... Bad Zebra Basketball 8 Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:50am
More Problems gruberted Baseball 6 Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:31am
Problems? brandan89 Feedback 0 Sun Jun 19, 2005 06:26pm
Two old problems, one new one rainmaker Basketball 11 Wed Dec 11, 2002 06:05pm
Help! Foot problems! Ron Pilo Basketball 15 Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:31pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:55am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1