A.D. problems

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

In general, the UIC/PU is in control of the diamond, BUT, the situation we are discussing has nothing to do with the general rules of baseball. It has to do with a school official and his jurisdiction with regard to the field conditions.

99.9999999999...........................% of the time, when the umpires use their good judgement and notify the proper school authority to fix a problem on the field that causes a safety hazard, the school authority or coach will complain that you are the first umpires that have made an issue about the alleged problem. But in the case being discussed, the AD is being proactive with regard to the condition of the field and is using his position as the home school representative, to insure that the safety of the players come first. As I have stated in an earlier post, take your game fee check and take your wife/girl friend/mistress (or all three) out to a nice dinner and be thankful for this AD.

MTD, Sr.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

But in the case being discussed, the AD is being proactive with regard to the condition of the field and is using his position as the home school representative, to insure that the safety of the players come first.

Which case are you discussing? The OP stated the umpire got the feeling that the AD was trying to get home because it was "only" a FROSH doubleheader.

If what you're stating were the case, I'd whole heartedly agree with you.

If what the OP thought was correct and the AD was trying to cheat the players out of a double header because he wanted to get home, shame on him.

I usually work with "game management" an give their input quite a bit of weight when it comes to matters like this. However, when I get the sense that adults are putting their interests ahead of the interests of the child players involved; I have no problem taking a stand. If the AD wants to go home that bad, he can pull his team and forfeit both games.

[BrookstheUmp]

I would have a problem with the AD butting in in this situation. Now if there was a nasty thunderstorm on the way, i could understand. Let's not forget, this is about field conditions. Once the game starts, the umpires are the SOLE authority as to whether conditions are fit to play. The umpires are in charge of the game, not the AD.

[umpjong]

Its the A.D. that has to explain the early end of the contest. If I got my check, bye bye.... Why the pissing match? Let him be the big shot............

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by umpjong

Its the A.D. that has to explain the early end of the contest. If I got my check, bye bye.... Why the pissing match? Let him be the big shot............

Suppose the home team is up by 1 after 8. Visitors score 10 in the top of the 9th and it starts to drizzle. The AD says the field is unsafe, and you know it is perfectly fit for play. You still gonna take your check and hit the road?

It's an extreme example - I just want to know if you have a line somewhere.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Suppose the home team is up by 1 after 8. Visitors score 10 in the top of the 9th and it starts to drizzle. The AD says the field is unsafe, and you know it is perfectly fit for play. You still gonna take your check and hit the road?

It's an extreme example - I just want to know if you have a line somewhere.

Well, in most places, it would be a suspended game at that point. But it's a good scenario, nonetheless.

[PeteBooth]

Dash depending upon one's area some High School's play in town parks.

So let's continue with your scenario. HT up by one Top 9. Visitors go ahead 10.

Now the Town Superintendent says to you - GAME OVER. Guess what - GAME OVER

I see no difference here.

IMO, the point some are missing is this:

If the AD wants to "kick the game" no matter what the circumstances, the umpires are "off the hook" Any "heat" or other "ramifications" that come from that game are on the AD.

In reality if the AD did "kick the game' using your extreme example he would no longer be AD.

Pete Booth

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

In reality if the AD did "kick the game' using your extreme example he would no longer be AD.

For some schools, it would be WHY he is the AD.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Brett

Which case are you discussing? The OP stated the umpire got the feeling that the AD was trying to get home because it was "only" a FROSH doubleheader.

If what you're stating were the case, I'd whole heartedly agree with you.

If what the OP thought was correct and the AD was trying to cheat the players out of a double header because he wanted to get home, shame on him.

I usually work with "game management" an give their input quite a bit of weight when it comes to matters like this. However, when I get the sense that adults are putting their interests ahead of the interests of the child players involved; I have no problem taking a stand. If the AD wants to go home that bad, he can pull his team and forfeit both games.

Brett:

In the OP the author was injecting his own opinion about the AD's motives. We all know that an AD can not enter the officials' dressing room even if it is office, but the school distict responsibility for player safety is equal to the game officials and it is the game officials responsibility to make sure the school district complies with all safety rules. In the OP the school official representing the school district was erring on the side of safety (as the game officials should always, with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley, do).

In these rain during the game situations, the schools involved (coaches and AD's) resist stopping the game because they want to play the game and forget their responsibility to the safety of the players is primary.

So read my lips: When an AD wants to suspened the game because of safety concerns, thank him profusely, take your game fee check, and take your wife/girl friend/mistress (all three at once or seperately) to dinner with it.

MTD, Sr.