Why not another? 9U play

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mj

I think I can speak from experience here as I umpire and also coach my 10 year old (call me a rat if you must). There is no way I'm treating another umpire that way. We all have to start somewhere whether it be a 9u game or freshman game.

I have also tried to get Cell Phone McGee to umpire these games but alot of times he won't because he heard stories about how others were treated by coaches and fans.

In my NFHS rule book, there are 2 pages in there of Code of Ethics for Coaches and a Code of Ethics for Officials. I think you should reread them both...

I actually have not umpired HS ball in a few years and do not have those books. I can probably get a hold of one, though. Please refer me to the page that tells a coach to get his runners called out. I have the code of ethics for our league, and that is not in here.

I did not holler at this guy. I did not show him up. I did not argue with him. Nobody heard what I said to him other than him.

[mj]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I actually have not umpired HS ball in a few years and do not have those books. I can probably get a hold of one, though. Please refer me to the page that tells a coach to get his runners called out. I have the code of ethics for our league, and that is not in here.

I did not holler at this guy. I did not show him up. I did not argue with him. Nobody heard what I said to him other than him.

"The coach shall respect and support contest officials. The coach shall not indulge in conduct which would incite players or spectators against the officials. Public criticism of officials or players is unethical."

"Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner."

How do you explain to the parents after the game when they ask you about that play? Do you just answer "not my fault that Cell Phone McGee doesn't know the rules." I just can't fathom that and I think I would lose alot of respect for any coach that feels that way.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mj

"The coach shall respect and support contest officials. The coach shall not indulge in conduct which would incite players or spectators against the officials. Public criticism of officials or players is unethical."

"Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner."

How do you explain to the parents after the game when they ask you about that play? Do you just answer "not my fault that Cell Phone McGee doesn't know the rules." I just can't fathom that and I think I would lose alot of respect for any coach that feels that way.

Again, this was not an NFHS game.

As for your question: I was asked about the play by some players: Why did they call him safe? The 2B tagged him. I said: "You are right, he was tagged long before he got to the base. I have no idea why the umpire called him safe." It was completely true...at that time, I had no idea why Cell Phone McGhee had made such a terrible call.

As for the parents, we have a good group...an ex-pro athlete, an ex-Minor League and NCAA baseball umpire, and some others...I heard comments like this:

"I like how you do not argue with the umpires."
"I think it is good how you teach the kids to respect the umpires."
"I am very appreciative how you are constantly encouraging our players throughout the game."

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Again, this was not an NFHS game.

To justify your actions because this was not a FED game speaks volumes of your integrity and ethics. You're willing to lie, cheat and steal while coaching 9 year olds. I've never liked the term before but "rat" is a perfect description for you and your actions.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by waltjp

To justify your actions because this was not a FED game speaks volumes of your integrity and ethics. You're willing to lie, cheat and steal while coaching 9 year olds. I've never liked the term before but "rat" is a perfect description for you and your actions.

I did not lie, cheat or steal.

Now, the guy that took money for a job that he knew he could not do...some might say he was cheating and/or lying and/or stealing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I did not lie, cheat or steal.

Now, the guy that took money for a job that he knew he could not do...some might say he was cheating and/or lying and/or stealing.

You lied: "You can't call him out. You already called him safe."

Of COURSE he could have changed his own call. Liar.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You lied: "You can't call him out. You already called him safe."

Of COURSE he could have changed his own call. Liar.

If you are going to call me a liar, then do not intentionally misquote me.

[jwwashburn]

This is the code for our league:

To insure both players and umpires are
provided a positive environment, free from
physical and emotional harassment, the league, has
the following managerial prohibitions:
1. The touching of an umpire.
2. Leaving the designated area in a hostile
manner (i.e. dugout, coach’s box) without
permission, except if an injury to a
player has occurred.
3. A coach or manager shall not approach an
umpire without first being given
permission or granted a time out.
4. The use of foul language.
5. The throwing/abuse of equipment.
6. Continuous verbal harassment and/or
unsportsmanlike conduct.
7. Fan misbehavior.
8. Calling a play before the umpire.

Violation of items 5&6 will receive one (1)
warning and the expulsion of the manager or
coach of the team if a second violation
occurs during the game. It should be noted
that the managers and coaches are responsible
for their fans behavior.
Violation of all other items will result in
immediate ejection.
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Our 3rd base coach violated #8 and I was on him like the stink on Rosie O'Donnell. I have had a few fans that might have been in violation of #7 if allowed to continue...I squleched it at the start of the season. I had a player throw his bat after striking out in the second inning and he was done for the game.