Why not another? 9U play

[UmpJM]

Joe,

That was inexcuseable of Rich to "misquote" you like that, when you actually said:

...when I turn around, BU says I think he should be out. I said, "Nope, too late. You called him safe."

Oh, wait, Rich didn't mis-characterize what you said in any way!

Liar.

Can you see China yet? Well, keep digging, you gotta be gettin' close.

JM

[jwwashburn]

Joe, you can justify your actions to make yourself feel less guilt, and that is what I perceive from all your comments. Like I stated before, I do not know you personally and will not judge you personally, But my perception to this is a simple statement you made to the young ump. "Nope, too late. You called him safe." Then you ignored him and jogged off. To me this is just a flat lie.

A flat lie would have been something completely different and you know it. I made a flippant comment and I actually did not expect him to pay attention.

So, again perception. My perception of this OP is that you are trying to justify your actions in this situation by gaining some support from the members here. Otherwise, why would you post this situation?

Why? For fun. I have fun with the ridiculous piety from some here. I have had fun with the embarrassing comments people have made.

But, as you can tell you keep getting in deeper and keep trying to justify your actions. Some questions one should be asking oneself is...What did your young players learn from this? What was their perception on how the coach handled it? Can you tell them honestly without a doubt that you handled it correctly?

Again. My young players did not learn anything from it because they did not know about the comment that the bU made or the one that I made. They learned that sometimes umpires make inexplicably awful calls and the game goes on and we do not get an explanation. they have learned throughout the season that their coaches do not argue with umpires. They have learned they they will not, either. As for how I handled it...I think the result would have been the same if I had not made the flippant comment but just left, instead. Maybe I should have not made the sarcastic remark...but it was a small deal, not a big one.

How do you instill trust and honestly and team work and unity amoung the players and coaches? I carry some guilt from some of my past actions like yelling at a ref and getting tossed out of a gym in a youth basketball game 7 years ago. I explained to my wife my actions to gain support and to justify what I did and she quickly and directly told me I was wrong and you embarrased yourself and your family. My youngest boy has never forgotten that and I never will either. I had to ask him to forgive me and to explain to him how wrong I was. Humble pie, you bet. Maybe you should explain this situation to your spouse or close friend and see what feedback you get. Can't hurt anymore than what you have already received from these posts.

Ok, I am glad you learned from your explosion in a gym. I did not do anything like what you did. This was not that. this was a smart-alleck flippant remark that only the BU and I heard. I have discussed this with several friends(umpires and not) the most stern rebuke I got was: Well, it probably would have been better if you had just said nothing.

I think that is right. It probably would have been perfect if I had said nothing...but some folks here would not have been satisfied with that! Some people think I should help the umpire call my guy out. That is just insane.

[njdevs00cup]

Perhaps the fielder thought he was playing dodgeball and pegged the runner. Whoops, can't play dodgeball anymore. Safe!

[JPaco54]

Joe - Thanks for the feedback and maybe your intentions have hit home with some of us. I know it has with me. I guess this is fun in some way. It is very interesting to see how we all respond to many rules and situations on this forum. But, what I have learned from your initial OP is that there are many that are very sensitive and sincere about brining honor and integrity to the game and that is a good thing. Y'all have a good weekend.

Almost forget, I have learned also that at times I should just not say anything as was suggested by some.

[David B]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Joe,

That was inexcuseable of Rich to "misquote" you like that, when you actually said:



Oh, wait, Rich didn't mis-characterize what you said in any way!

Liar.

Can you see China yet? Well, keep digging, you gotta be gettin' close.

JM

What I find so humerous about this is that in the last thread, Joe was complaining about the umpire that "lied" to him.

Now let's see, who's telling the young umpire the lie now ...

LOL

Thanks
David

[Ump153]

Let's see, he lied and, as he stated, he just smiled about it as he walked away.

So, to put it in just 4 words:

Lyin, sleazy, cheesy, Rat.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

If you are going to call me a liar, then do not intentionally misquote me.

Intentionally misquote? Shoot, what you said and what I misquoted pretty much say the same thing.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

If you are going to call me a liar, then do not intentionally misquote me.

RichMSN: "You called him safe, you can't change it now."

You: "Nope, too late. You called him safe."

Oh, yes, I can see how RichMSN completely, and obvously intentionally, misquted you and changed the entire meaning of what you said.

Shame on him.

And, shame on us for expecting you to act in any other way. You're a coach. It's just your nature.

[mj]

I guess if you're proud of what you did so be it. Apparently our opinion of how you handled it doesn't matter to you so next time keep it off this board.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Joe,

That was inexcuseable of Rich to "misquote" you like that, when you actually said:



Oh, wait, Rich didn't mis-characterize what you said in any way!

Liar.

Can you see China yet? Well, keep digging, you gotta be gettin' close.

JM

JM,

Could you stop shooting your mouth off and try to interpret what Jwwashburn said. He told the umpire that he couldn't change a call, and if I were a coach trying to gain an advantage, I would say the same thing. Do you really think you are above trying to influence an umpire? Can you honestly tell me you have never taken shots at other umpires during your coaching (or umpiring) days?

[cc6]

Originally Posted by mj

I guess if you're proud of what you did so be it. Apparently our opinion of how you handled it doesn't matter to you so next time keep it off this board.

My guess is that it is hard to take any of you seriously when you flame for no reason. This whole thread was doomed right from the time JM posted.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by Ump153

RichMSN: "You called him safe, you can't change it now."

You: "Nope, too late. You called him safe."

Oh, yes, I can see how RichMSN completely, and obvously intentionally, misquted you and changed the entire meaning of what you said.

Shame on him.

And, shame on us for expecting you to act in any other way. You're a coach. It's just your nature.

Without a coach you have no job. Without someone to suggest that you can't change a call, there is no reason for umpires to be on the field. Be thankful for people like Jwwashburn who are the reason you were hired in the first place.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Oh, I see. Lying and cheating are acceptable until the players are age 15-18 and participate in a NFHS sanctioned contest?

I will thank you to not put any words in my mouth. I merely am pointing out that you are applying standards which are inappropriate to the contest in question. I never said lying and cheating were acceptable, but coaches do use these tactics frequently. I don't coach baseball, but if I were coaching baseball, I would try to gain every advantage I could for my team.

[umpjong]

So.............
When performing umpire duties we must display integrity.
When performing coaching duties integrity is not necessary.

I get it now..........

[SanDiegoSteve]

Thank you for getting it.