Tichenor exudes awesome awesomeness

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

I'm sorry, but what you know about baseball could fit on the head of a tack...
That pitch was worthy of a strike...MLB to Connie Mack all the way down to little league....

Beckett was not showing up anybody, but showing frustration at the expense of an umpire who should have called a strike...Varitek protected his pitcher....
Watch it 4 or 10 times til you get what baseball is all about

Aw, did your widdle Wed Sox get a ball called on them? Waaaaaaaah.

Look here...Brian knows plenty about baseball. I would put his baseball knowledge up against anyone else on this forum.

Varitek is a tool, and deserved to get run. So the umpire maybe missed a pitch? What, you've never missed a pitch? Get real. When you turn around to argue with the umpire, you are showing him up. If you don't know that, then there is plenty of room on the head of that tack.

Beckett is lucky he didn't get run for screaming the obscenity, which was most certainly personal for the umpire. But that doesn't excuse Varitek's actions, protecting his pitcher or not. He can't stay in the game.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Aw, did your widdle Wed Sox get a ball called on them? Waaaaaaaah.

Look here...Brian knows plenty about baseball. I would put his baseball knowledge up against anyone else on this forum.

Varitek is a tool, and deserved to get run. So the umpire maybe missed a pitch? What, you've never missed a pitch? Get real. When you turn around to argue with the umpire, you are showing him up. If you don't know that, then there is plenty of room on the head of that tack.

Beckett is lucky he didn't get run for screaming the obscenity, which was most certainly personal for the umpire. But that doesn't excuse Varitek's actions, protecting his pitcher or not. He can't stay in the game.

Far from a sox fan...
Seems to me being the 7th inning, and Beckett's reaction, he missed more than one pitch during the game...

Varitek gets run plain and simple for his actions...but don't back Brian when he calls him a poor catcher...I only answered this cause it pisses me off when people send out generalities like this.

Oh yeah, and I never slice...

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Seems to me being the 7th inning, and Beckett's reaction, he missed more than one pitch during the game...

You're basing your idea of how Tichenor's zone was by the player's reactions? I guess that's all we need to hear.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

...but don't back Brian when he calls him a poor catcher...I only answered this cause it pisses me off when people send out generalities like this.

Brian did not say that Varitek was a poor catcher. He said he "is not a good in catcher general," which is a correct statement. Varitek is a rather average catcher, as major league catchers go.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Brian did not say that Varitek was a poor catcher. He said he "is not a good in general," which is a correct statement. Varitek is a rather average catcher, as major league catchers go.

10) Boston invested in pitching, not the dumbest position in baseball
9) Varitek is a solid gold glove candidate {Mauer, Pudge, Molina and Varitek}
8) Boston never had to deal with "manny" issues on offense, until now
7) Varitek's stats are better than most of the fantasy league catchers
6) Boston did not go out and sign the best catcher not under contract
5) Varitek may catch the most valuable pitches in baseball
4) Boston happy with Varitek's offense,
Jason Varitek - Boston Red Sox - News - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
3) Varitek prefers 1B, but 1B Youkilis will not squat behind the plate
2) Boston's Tim Wakefield will make anyone look average
1) Varitek does everthing except mop the floor and turn off the lights

missed the sarcasm

[jkumpire]

"Nigel for $200, the answer is: 'The poster of the most clueless statement about an MLB umpire's zone in this thread.'"

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Far from a sox fan...
Seems to me being the 7th inning, and Beckett's reaction, he missed more than one pitch during the game...

Varitek gets run plain and simple for his actions...but don't back Brian when he calls him a poor catcher...I only answered this cause it pisses me off when people send out generalities like this.

Oh yeah, and I never slice...

On the Beckett highlight real, Tichenor is calling those 3rd strikes inside a pretty good zone. Appears Beckett is the one under pressure to perform. Listen to the announcers complain about a previous Beckett pitch that Tichenor may have missed earlier in the game.

On the Mauer vs Beckett video, Varitek frames a low 0-1 ball {at 1:20} and the next 0-2 outside pitch is called a strike {at 1.26} that may have been ball 3. Joe Mauer didn't react the way Beckett did. Difficult to tell how many times a bad call may have happened {waiting for Strike Zone data}, but there is not enough evidence to point the finger at Tichenor's zone.

Redmon tossed for running toward the umpire.
Gardenhire doesn't need an explanation. Defending his player is a BS excuse.
Beckett should have been tossed/warned for his actions.
Varitek had to go. Besides, he already had two homers.
Francona doesn't need an explanation. Defending his player is a BS excuse.

[SAump]

In summary, 1) both catchers and managers were tossed.
2) the safe/out and ball/strike call belongs to the umpire.
3) video evidence does not support the actions of the players
4) players should not be allowed to demonstrate after every close call
5) instant replays, quirky rules and player/managers are sucking up time
6) announcers sadly defend the player/manager actions on the field
7) playing ball and not arguing the call is good for baseball
8) the pressure on umpires is on display and will soon have more effect on the game
9) reflection of unhealthy respect for authority common in American society

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

In summary, 1) both catchers and managers were tossed.
2) the safe/out and ball/strike call belongs to the umpire.
3) video evidence does not support the actions of the players
4) players should not be aloud to demonstrate after every close call
5) instant replays, quirky rules and player/managers are sucking up time
6) announcers sadly defend the player/manager actions on the field
7) playing ball and not arguing the call is good for baseball
8) the pressure on umpires is on display and will soon have more effect on the game
9) reflection of unhealthy respect for authority common in American society

Bravo!

[realistic]

First off, who ever had respect for P Gammons??? Old liver lips has been spewing that stuff for years.

Can't tell if the play at home was right/wrong. Redmond is a good guy. Mike looked like he was flabbergasted as to why he was ejected. Gardenhire was an automatic.

As it has been already said, Varitek just protected his pitcher and kept him from being ejected. Francona came out to badger the ump since the Twins had problems with him earlier. Francona spit on him after being ejected. Hopefully he will get several days off for that.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by realistic

Francona spit on him after being ejected. Hopefully he will get several days off for that.

Where did you hear of this? I haven't been able to find documentation of this anywhere. Why isn't it a story anywhere?

[cc6]

Originally Posted by SAump

8) the pressure on umpires is on display and will soon have more effect on the game

What kind of effect do you think the pressure on umpires is going to have on baseball? The men in blue have been slandered for centuries. It is a part of tradition that isn't going to affect change today's game in any noticable way.