Can the Ball Change Possession during a Dead Ball?

[chicago11]

which way is the possession arrow pointing?

[jicecone]

So its kind of like "kissing your sister."

There the fielder stands with a baseball in their hand or glove and it does'nt mean anything because, the ball is not made live until you transfer possesion back to the pitcher so we can get on with the game.

[johnnyg08]

correct...once you call time, we don't resume play until the pitcher has the ball and engages the rubber, if he engages w/o the ball, we have a balk.

The Evans Diamond Challenge DVD has the hidden ball trick example in the DVD...it's a good example too.

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

correct...once you call time, we don't resume play until the pitcher has the ball and engages the rubber, if he engages w/o the ball, we have a balk.

There has been a discussion brewing on another forum regarding this call. The consensus seems to be that this is a no-play, not a balk. Specifically, UIC cannot legally place the ball back in play until the pitcher has possession and engages. And with out the ball being in play no balk call can be made. No one has an advantage or a dis-advantage (no out made, no steal made). What say you?

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

correct...once you call time, we don't resume play until the pitcher has the ball and engages the rubber, if he engages w/o the ball, we have a balk.

....

johnny,

C'mon. How do you have a balk if the ball is not in play? (Answer: you don't!)

If he engages the rubber without the ball while the ball is dead all you've got is a dead ball - still.

JM

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jicecone

So its kind of like "kissing your sister."

Really? I didn't find it even remotely like kissing your sister!

[jwwashburn]

Tim, Thanks....I think I remember the last time you set me straight on this. The key here is that even if the Umpire accidentally tries to put the ball in play without the pitcher having it, he can't.

I am trying to remember if I have ever done that...I did have a balk last year when F3 pretended to throw it back to F1 and then F1 toed the rubber as if to pitch.

The coach requested time. I granted it. He came over and said, "What kind of balk was that?" I explained. Then, he said, "I have never seen that one but, you sure as hell didn't make it up!"....turned around and told F3 "Quit screwing around...that's a balk!"

Joe In Missouri

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Really? I didn't find it even remotely like kissing your sister!

Hey! Leave my sister out of this and by the way, she still hasn't received last months alimony check. We need to pay the internet bill.

[ManInBlue]

If they try the hidden ball trick after/during a DB, and I put the ball in play (b/c I'm assuming F1 has the ball), then I'm going to warn Skip and his pitcher that if they try that stunt again, they're both gone.

Might be over the top, but you've just tried to pull the wool over my eyes, and I don't roll like that.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

If they try the hidden ball trick after/during a DB, and I put the ball in play (b/c I'm assuming F1 has the ball), then I'm going to warn Skip and his pitcher that if they try that stunt again, they're both gone.

Might be over the top, but you've just tried to pull the wool over my eyes, and I don't roll like that.

How are you gonna justify that one?

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by Matt

How are you gonna justify that one?

Since this is a "football" thread...unsportsman like conduct.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

If they try the hidden ball trick after/during a DB, and I put the ball in play (b/c I'm assuming F1 has the ball), then I'm going to warn Skip and his pitcher that if they try that stunt again, they're both gone.

Might be over the top, but you've just tried to pull the wool over my eyes, and I don't roll like that.

A bit over the top. Only worthy of an eye roll, a "nice try there, Skippy," and not much more. I don't see how you can throw them out for trying to fool you...they do it all the time constantly throughout the game.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

If they try the hidden ball trick after/during a DB, and I put the ball in play (b/c I'm assuming F1 has the ball), then I'm going to warn Skip and his pitcher that if they try that stunt again, they're both gone.

Might be over the top, but you've just tried to pull the wool over my eyes, and I don't roll like that.

ManInBlue,

If you "put the ball in play" when the pitcher doesn't have the ball, you should be upset with yourself, not them.

JM

[johnnyg08]

actually, while I was looking up the "no throwing the ball back to the pitcher after a homerun" on the same page of PBUC I saw the "no putting the ball back in play until the pitcher has the ball and..."