Never seen this before

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the discussion but I believe the coach is asking to appeal the check swing for the last ball pitched, not whether the pitch was a strike. It's not really an everyday appeal but if it's done civilly, why not...

-Josh

Because it's contrary to the rules. Only a "no swing" can be appealed. A "swing" cannot.

The PU kicked it; the BU kicked it; the opposing coach kicked it; and the requesting coach chuckles his way back to the dugout.

[johnnyg08]

So the response to the requesting coach would be: You can't request appeal on a pitch that I called a swinging strike. I suppose this should be pregamed esp if you're working w/ somebody new or "suspect"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

So the response to the requesting coach would be: You can't request appeal on a pitch that I called a swinging strike. I suppose this should be pregamed esp if you're working w/ somebody new or "suspect"

This would be about number 4768 on my list of things to pre-game. Heck, you may as well pregame "I signal outs with my right hand -- how do you do it?"

[johnnyg08]

Pretty much!

[justanotherblue]

when he began arguing your called strike on the swing, he is now arguing balls and strikes. What he should have added is... well now coach that is balls and strikes and were not discussing it any further, you can return to your bench or leave.

[David B]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

when he began arguing your called strike on the swing, he is now arguing balls and strikes. What he should have added is... well now coach that is balls and strikes and were not discussing it any further, you can return to your bench or leave.

Exactly.

I like what Ozzy wrote. Exactly how it should happen.

Thnaks
David

[Forest Ump]

Like most here, I'm going to say "Yes he did" while pointing at the batter if I rule a check swing a strike. If the coach starts asking me if it's on the pitch or the swing, I might just reply back that he will see me indicate it if its on the swing. Hopefully that will put that nonsense to rest.

[alex7]

From OBR:
Rule 9.02(c) Comment: The manager or the catcher may request the plate umpire to ask his partner for help on a half swing when the plate umpire calls the pitch a ball, but not when the pitch is called a strike.

The manager may not complain that the umpire made an improper call, but only that he did not ask his partner for help. Field umpires must be alerted to the request from the plate umpire and quickly respond. Managers may not protest the call of a ball or strike on the pretense they are asking for information about a half swing.

Appeals on a half swing may be made only on the call of ball and when asked to appeal, the home plate umpire must refer to a base umpire for his judgment on the half swing. Should the base umpire call the pitch a strike, the strike call shall prevail.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by alex7

From OBR:
Rule 9.02(c) Comment: The manager or the catcher may request the plate umpire to ask his partner for help on a half swing when the plate umpire calls the pitch a ball, but not when the pitch is called a strike.

The manager may not complain that the umpire made an improper call, but only that he did not ask his partner for help. Field umpires must be alerted to the request from the plate umpire and quickly respond. Managers may not protest the call of a ball or strike on the pretense they are asking for information about a half swing.

Appeals on a half swing may be made only on the call of ball and when asked to appeal, the home plate umpire must refer to a base umpire for his judgment on the half swing. Should the base umpire call the pitch a strike, the strike call shall prevail.

However, this is not to be misread, that if the pitch is a ball in the dirt but the PU points and said 'yes he went' on the check swing, that the offensive coach (as in the OP) may now appeal the check swing (that was called a strike by the PU) due to fact that the actual pitch location was a ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tballump

However, this is not to be misread, that if the pitch is a ball in the dirt but the PU points and said 'yes he went' on the check swing, that the offensive coach (as in the OP) may now appeal the check swing (that was called a strike by the PU) due to fact that the actual pitch location was a ball.

That's not at all what the rule says. The rule is there because with all else that PU has to watch, he might not see a swing. SO, a "no swing" call can be appealed.

If PU has seen a swing then this cannot be appealed.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by tballump

However, this is not to be misread, that if the pitch is a ball in the dirt but the PU points and said 'yes he went' on the check swing, that the offensive coach (as in the OP) may now appeal the check swing (that was called a strike by the PU) due to fact that the actual pitch location was a ball.

I think that's obvious. If the pitch were a strike, it wouldn't matter if the batter attempted to hit the pitch or not.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because it's contrary to the rules. Only a "no swing" can be appealed. A "swing" cannot.

The PU kicked it; the BU kicked it; the opposing coach kicked it; and the requesting coach chuckles his way back to the dugout.

There is probably a reason I've never done it but if Bob says it's incorrect procedure, I guess I'll have to jump to the other side of the fence on this topic

-Josh

[Ump Rube]

I guess I am not good enough to take me at my word. I even gave you a list. And this is how you treat me? By taking the word of some "moderator" that has like 7K posts? Fine, fine. But don't come crawling back to me when this "Bob" character turns his back on you. ()

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

I guess I am not good enough to take me at my word. I even gave you a list. And this is how you treat me? By taking the word of some "moderator" that has like 7K posts? Fine, fine. But don't come crawling back to me when this "Bob" character turns his back on you. ()

Good one!

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

I guess I am not good enough to take me at my word. I even gave you a list. And this is how you treat me? By taking the word of some "moderator" that has like 7K posts? Fine, fine. But don't come crawling back to me when this "Bob" character turns his back on you. ()

-Josh