Never seen this before

tballump · #1 (**permalink**) Fri May 22, 2009, 11:09pm

I cannot believe there are umpires are getting to the district playoffs that are appealing a checked swing as the PU that they have already ruled was a swing. There is just too much information out there, not just on this forum, for this to happen. Here we go with that 'help call' get it right at all costs song and dance routine again.

Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and make the call and it 'is not' a help situation? Too bad, if later on you learn on instant replay that you really missed the call. That is just part of the game. If there are calls and situations that let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it. If you have to eject an upset coach, so be it, even if it is in the playoffs. Good chance his cherry has been popped already, and if not, oh well, there is always a first time. That appealing coach had to be laughing his a-- off on this one.

SethPDX · #2 (**permalink**) Sat May 23, 2009, 12:22am

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Originally Posted by waltjp

Which is why I include the following in my pregame when I'm working the bases -

If you want help on a check swing come to me regardless of where I'm positioned or who is batting and I'll give you what I got. I don't get crazy about it like some guys.

I always tell my partner, "give me what you have" as PU. If I'm BU I'll tell my PU I'm giving what I have. And no way are we using any secret code like, "If I say 'he didn't go, did he?' I want you to back up my call." Fortunately I see fewer and fewer guys who "get crazy about it."

dash_riprock · #3 (**permalink**) Sat May 23, 2009, 08:17am

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Originally Posted by tballump

Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and make the call and it 'is not' a help situation?...If there are calls and situations that let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it...

You don't have that option on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA.

tballump · #4 (**permalink**) Sun May 24, 2009, 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by dash_riprock

You don't have that option on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA.

In the OP, the fifth sentence said, "PU pointed and said he swung". Therefore my comment, "Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and it's not a help situation? If there are calls that you let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it. In the OP the PU who had just pointed and said he swung on the check swing, then he asked for help.

Since the PU clearly saw the swing and pointed and said he swung, he does not have the option of asking for help on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA. If he 'had not' "pointed and said he swung", you are absolutely correct that the PU must ask for help and I so stated that if there is a call (no he didn't go) that let's you get help, fine, go ahead and ask for help on a request for a check swing appeal as OBR and NCAA say you must. Sorry drr, I was referring to the OP not the second part of this post.