Unusual play - Ruling/Interpretation Question

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by martynva

If in Fair ... Fair ball, ground rule double.

Originally Posted by Armadillo_Blue

Then as stated above, this is a fair batted ball that has gone out of play and all runners are awarded two bases from time of pitch.

Disagree.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Disagree.

Disagree with whom? And with what?

[Durham]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Disagree.

Ok, then tell us you think it is time of deflection.

[Durham]

I think he is saying that it should be 2 bases from the time F# deflected the ball out of play the 2nd time he contacted the ball. Because it was his action that caused the ball to go out of play. If so he would be right, but that is a ****ty end of the stick.

[johnnyg08]

okay, that makes sense...

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Durham

I think he is saying that it should be 2 bases from the time F# deflected the ball out of play the 2nd time he contacted the ball. Because it was his action that caused the ball to go out of play. If so he would be right, but that is a ****ty end of the stick.

Exactly. Why is it that the [dirty] end of the stick? Would you call it differently?

[Durham]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Exactly. Why is it that the [dirty] end of the stick? Would you call it differently?

I would award 3rd if I were 110% that the B/R was past 1st when the ball was deflected. No Doubt at all.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Durham

I would award 3rd if I were 110% that the B/R was past 1st when the ball was deflected. No Doubt at all.

In that case, I'm with you 100%. Make that 110%.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Durham

I would award 3rd if I were 110% that the B/R was past 1st when the ball was deflected. No Doubt at all.

Rules basis for that?

[Durham]

Originally Posted by celebur

Rules basis for that?

PBUC blue book and MLB manual. It has to do with the impetus of the ball. If it was going to go out on its own then it is ToP or ToT, but if the ball goes out of play because the fielder changed the impetus of the ball then it is 2 from the ToD, or the spot that the base runners were at when the fielders action took place.

Examples, ball hit to the wall, fielder reaches down and then comes up and says it went under the fence, would be 2 bases from the time he went down, throw from a fielder to the plate, ball rolls over too the dugout and is coming to a stop, but the catcher slides and his action causes the ball to go into the dugout, it would be 2 from the time of the deflection.