What is the outcome of this?

[JPaco54]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

R1 has already "touched" 2B, so my understanding would be that it's not a force out.

Defense appealed, after R1 thrown out at 3B, that R1 MISSED 2B and therefore was ruled out by appeal.

[johnnyg08]

but it's an appeal play, not a force play right?

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

Bob - I am confused now as to what the proper call would be with the one out scenario. Is this a timing situation? Back to the OP, If appeal made, R1 is out for the second out for missing 2B. R3 scores and R2 scores. BR if advanced to second on the throw to third would maintain 2B. Correct?

But if 2 outs, it becomes a "force" situation and no runs score? Appreciate clarification. Thanks!

JPaco,

I'm not Bob, but let me try to answer your question..

If there is only one out at the start of the play, there is no "timing" to concern yourself with because at the end of the play there are only two outs - even if the defense were to appeal the R1's miss of 2B.

Since they already put him out when he tried to advance to 3B, he's really, really out, but it's still just one out.

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

but it's an appeal play, not a force play right?

johnny,

You seem to suggest these are mutually exclusive options - they are not. See post #5 above.

JM

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

johnny,

You seem to suggest these are mutually exclusive options - they are not. See post #5 above.

JM

Just like the LAD/D-Backs game right...if Pierre doesn't get in the rundown, they don't have the 4th out option right?

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Just like the LAD/D-Backs game right...if Pierre doesn't get in the rundown, they don't have the 4th out option right?

Not precisely true. If the appeal, whether tagging the runner or tagging the base, occurs before the run crosses the plate, then there would be no need for the fourth out option. I saw some fan comments that suggested it was the body tag rather than the "force-out" base tag that made the difference, which is wrong, of course.
Pierre did not get into a rundown. Both F4 Lopez and R2 Pierre were walking toward each other while R3 Ethier was sprinting across the plate. That's what made that play possible. DMF4.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

but it's an appeal play, not a force play right?

It's both. But you'd only need the force play if it were the third out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

but it's an appeal play, not a force play right?

It might be both (depending on what specific play you are discussing).

An out can be made either "during regular action" or "on appeal".

An out can be a force out or a non-force out.

You can get either / any by touching the bag or tagging the runner.