Advantageous 4th out in D-backs game

[johnnyg08]

LAD/D-backs...had an advantageous 4th out play today, from what I'm reading, D-backs didn't appeal and it cost them a run.

Apparently the video on MLB.com doesn't tell us much...anybody see it?

[JR12]

Here's the story

Rare 'four-out play' helps Dodgers down Diamondbacks - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

[Paul L]

R3 (Dodger Andre Ethier), R2 (Juan Pierre), 1 out. Line drive headed for center snagged by pitcher D'back Dan Haren. Runners running. Pitcher throws to F4 (Felipe Lopez), who instead of tagging base casually walks up to R2 and tags him, but not until after R3 crosses the plate without tagging up. D'backs leave the field, blowing their chance for an advantageous fourth out. OC talks to PU Larry Vanover, who says yeah, that's a run.

Best part was that R2 Juan Pierre was looking homeward, as if to make sure that R3 tagged home before F4 Felipe Lopez tagged him.

Here's the mlb.com link, with video.
Dodgers get run on 'fourth-out rule' | MLB.com: News

[zm1283]

I'm just amazed that the Diamondbacks played the Dodgers today and they're playing the Cardinals right now.

I think that game was yesterday.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Paul L

Best part was that R2 Juan Pierre was looking homeward, as if to make sure that R3 tagged home before F4 Felipe Lopez tagged him.

I don't think that's what he was doing. I think that was his "Aw, dang" look. I'm fairly confident that at most 4 people on that field knew that the run was going to score.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm fairly confident that at most 4 people on that field knew that the run was going to score.

[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

Did you notice that I said "at most"?

[RogersUmp]

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

[johnnyg08]

Not sure how you score it...Welcome to the board! Just so you know, be prepared to deal w/ a variety of comments if you ask scoring questions on here.

Again, welcome to the board!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by RogersUmp

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

It is an advantageous fourth out for the defense in this case, not the offense. They still only get three outs no matter hows you dice em.

2nd out F-1, 3rd out PO@3, 4th out we only get three, go back to the 3rd out and forget about it.

Of course I never officially scored a MLB ball game either.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by RogersUmp

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

I'm not an official scorer, but such 4th outs are called superseding because they replace a 3rd out and become said "3rd out." (Play Twilight Zone music.)