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johnnyg08 Mon Apr 13, 2009 08:53pm

Advantageous 4th out in D-backs game
 
LAD/D-backs...had an advantageous 4th out play today, from what I'm reading, D-backs didn't appeal and it cost them a run.

Apparently the video on MLB.com doesn't tell us much...anybody see it?

JR12 Mon Apr 13, 2009 09:14pm

Here's the story

Rare 'four-out play' helps Dodgers down Diamondbacks - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

Paul L Mon Apr 13, 2009 09:23pm

R3 (Dodger Andre Ethier), R2 (Juan Pierre), 1 out. Line drive headed for center snagged by pitcher D'back Dan Haren. Runners running. Pitcher throws to F4 (Felipe Lopez), who instead of tagging base casually walks up to R2 and tags him, but not until after R3 crosses the plate without tagging up. D'backs leave the field, blowing their chance for an advantageous fourth out. OC talks to PU Larry Vanover, who says yeah, that's a run.

Best part was that R2 Juan Pierre was looking homeward, as if to make sure that R3 tagged home before F4 Felipe Lopez tagged him.

Here's the mlb.com link, with video.
Dodgers get run on 'fourth-out rule' | MLB.com: News

zm1283 Mon Apr 13, 2009 09:24pm

I'm just amazed that the Diamondbacks played the Dodgers today and they're playing the Cardinals right now. :D

I think that game was yesterday.

mbyron Tue Apr 14, 2009 05:56am

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Originally Posted by Paul L (Post 595820)
Best part was that R2 Juan Pierre was looking homeward, as if to make sure that R3 tagged home before F4 Felipe Lopez tagged him.

I don't think that's what he was doing. I think that was his "Aw, dang" look. I'm fairly confident that at most 4 people on that field knew that the run was going to score.

dash_riprock Tue Apr 14, 2009 06:48am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 595865)
I'm fairly confident that at most 4 people on that field knew that the run was going to score.

[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

mbyron Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 595879)
[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

Did you notice that I said "at most"? :D

RogersUmp Thu Apr 16, 2009 01:10pm

Scorebook?
 
So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

johnnyg08 Thu Apr 16, 2009 01:13pm

Not sure how you score it...Welcome to the board! Just so you know, be prepared to deal w/ a variety of comments if you ask scoring questions on here.

Again, welcome to the board!

jicecone Thu Apr 16, 2009 07:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 596295)
So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

It is an advantageous fourth out for the defense in this case, not the offense. They still only get three outs no matter hows you dice em.

2nd out F-1, 3rd out PO@3, 4th out we only get three, go back to the 3rd out and forget about it.

Of course I never officially scored a MLB ball game either.

UMP25 Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogersUmp (Post 596295)
So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

I'm not an official scorer, but such 4th outs are called superseding because they replace a 3rd out and become said "3rd out." (Play Twilight Zone music.)


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