Advantageous 4th out in D-backs game

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm fairly confident that at most 4 people on that field knew that the run was going to score.

[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

[Insert 20-20 hindsight and armchair umpire comments here] PU is supposed to rule on the time play immediately after the 3rd out is recorded. From the mlb.com article, it appears that the ruling on the time play wasn't issued until well after AZ had lost its right to appeal the advantageous 4th out.

Did you notice that I said "at most"?

[RogersUmp]

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

[johnnyg08]

Not sure how you score it...Welcome to the board! Just so you know, be prepared to deal w/ a variety of comments if you ask scoring questions on here.

Again, welcome to the board!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by RogersUmp

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

It is an advantageous fourth out for the defense in this case, not the offense. They still only get three outs no matter hows you dice em.

2nd out F-1, 3rd out PO@3, 4th out we only get three, go back to the 3rd out and forget about it.

Of course I never officially scored a MLB ball game either.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by RogersUmp

So how do you score it in the book if the appeal is made and the runner at third called out? Does the appeal actually become the third out thus making the 'run-down' tag an event that happened after the inning was over and not recorded?

I'm not an official scorer, but such 4th outs are called superseding because they replace a 3rd out and become said "3rd out." (Play Twilight Zone music.)