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[LDUB]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Why? "If your team is dumb enough to throw behind the lead runner, you loose! Now my partner is going to have to keep his eye on the lead runner which means he will not be watching the pickoff with me so I am not even going to bother going to him, coach!"

Why are you thinking so much? It is a pickoff; do you footwork and make the call.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Why are you thinking so much? It is a pickoff; do you footwork and make the call.

Listen, LUBDUB , if you read the OP there is a coach mouthing off and that needs to be addressed.

To the posters who don't see a problem with throwing behind the lead runner.... oh why waste my breath! It's obvious you never got too far playing ball.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Listen, LUBDUB , if you read the OP there is a coach mouthing off and that needs to be addressed.

Ok so you say

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

"If your team is dumb enough to throw behind the lead runner, you loose

What is dumb about that? They picked off the runner. I think any manager would rather have R2 with 1 out over R2 & R1 with 0 out.

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Now my partner is going to have to keep his eye on the lead runner which means he will not be watching the pickoff with me so I am not even going to bother going to him, coach!"

I would have said that the PU's would be responsible for F1's step and after that be responsible for the ball on a pickoff at first base. What set of mechanics are you using where the PU on pickoffs watches R2?

[ozzy6900]

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I would have said that the PU's would be responsible for F1's step and after that be responsible for the ball on a pickoff at first base. What set of mechanics are you using where the PU on pickoffs watches R2?[/quote]
If we were in this position as players, I as R2 would be off on F1's move to 1st. Being in a secondary and my speed, I would now be on 3rd (I was faster in my youth). This was a standard move on a "throw behind".

Now I understand as an umpire you holding to CCA mechanics but now we have a situation where the CCA does not cover the problem. You know that F3 is going to try to nail me going to 3rd and anything under NCAA is probably going to end up as an overthrow. So while the BU is covering the pickoff at 1st, who is going to handle the action at 3rd? Your BU is not going to be able to cover this.

Of course, if you are working Summer leagues or sub-varsity, R2 problable will have bought a ticket to the action and will never have left 2nd base. So then your job will be easy. Come to think of it, never mind the above scenario becaues no one plays ball like we used to, anymore. I hardly see any agressive playing anymore so my actions as a former professional player problably are only avilable on 16mm instant replay!

Good arguing with you again LDUB (aka LubDub)!

[celebur]

Originally Posted by LDUB

What is dumb about that? They picked off the runner.

Actually, in the OP, the runner was called safe, so they DIDN'T pick off the runner.

Originally Posted by LDUB

I think any manager would rather have R2 with 1 out over R2 & R1 with 0 out.

Off course they would. But you're not presenting the other, more probable outcomes:
-runner at 3B with 1 out (pick-off successful).
-runners at 1B and 3B with 0 out (pick-off not successful).