Asking for Help

Spence · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 09:55pm

Let me clear up some items.

The field ump was on the 3rd base side of the mound so he wasn't much closer than the HP ump. In addition F3 was between him and R1 when he made the tag.

F3 didn't drop his knee until after catching the ball.

I realize the FU saw what he saw. However, if the coach disagrees and approaches it the right way would it be unusual for the field ump to ask the HP ump for help?

DG · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 10:01pm

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Originally Posted by Spence

Let me clear up some items.

The field ump was on the 3rd base side of the mound so he wasn't much closer than the HP ump. In addition F3 was between him and R1 when he made the tag.

F3 didn't drop his knee until after catching the ball.

I realize the FU saw what he saw. However, if the coach disagrees and approaches it the right way would it be unusual for the field ump to ask the HP ump for help?

With F1 only BU should be in B, not C. And yes, it would be very highly unusual for BU to ask for help from PU. Like never...

DonInKansas · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 10:06pm

Your "view" down the first base line would probably not give a very good view of the back of 1st base, which was probably the part given to the runner.

Spence · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 10:33pm

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas

Your "view" down the first base line would probably not give a very good view of the back of 1st base, which was probably the part given to the runner.

As a high school ref I can certainly appreciate your support of the umpires.

There was no question his hand did not reach the base. Add in that it was "my team" that should have been called out and you see I have no agenda.

Spence · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 10:35pm

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Originally Posted by DG

With F1 only BU should be in B, not C. And yes, it would be very highly unusual for BU to ask for help from PU. Like never...

I assume "C" is on the 3rd base side of the mound. That's where he was so I assume then that there was a R2 as well.

Ump153 · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 13, 2009, 11:47pm

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Originally Posted by Spence

I assume "C" is on the 3rd base side of the mound. That's where he was so I assume then that there was a R2 as well.

I don't get it. I thought you were there.

SanDiegoSteve · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 02:17am

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Originally Posted by Spence

I assume "C" is on the 3rd base side of the mound. That's where he was so I assume then that there was a R2 as well.

Yes, you were there...don't you know for a fact there was R2? And with R2, why were they holding the runner at first? Was this some sort of sneak behind the runner play? Strange to have a pickoff at first with R2. Are you sure it wasn't 1st and 3rd?

DG · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 09:42pm

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Originally Posted by Spence

I assume "C" is on the 3rd base side of the mound. That's where he was so I assume then that there was a R2 as well.

R1 only mentioned.

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 07:21am

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Originally Posted by Spence

I realize the FU saw what he saw. However, if the coach disagrees and approaches it the right way would it be unusual for the field ump to ask the HP ump for help?

Yes, it would be unusual to get help on this play.

ozzy6900 · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 07:35am

Wait a minute! If we have R1 & R2, I am in "C". If your pitcher does a pickoff to 1st, you are going to get what I can give you from the "C" position - I am not going for help!

Why? "If your team is dumb enough to throw behind the lead runner, you loose! Now my partner is going to have to keep his eye on the lead runner which means he will not be watching the pickoff with me so I am not even going to bother going to him, coach!"

Spence · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 09:56am

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Wait a minute! If we have R1 & R2, I am in "C". If your pitcher does a pickoff to 1st, you are going to get what I can give you from the "C" position - I am not going for help!

Why? "If your team is dumb enough to throw behind the lead runner, you loose! Now my partner is going to have to keep his eye on the lead runner which means he will not be watching the pickoff with me so I am not even going to bother going to him, coach!"

Thanks, although I don't understand why you would consider it dumb to throw to first to try to pick off a runner.

Spence · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 09:59am

So now that it seems unanimous that the umpire is not going to ask for help in this situation let me ask this.

Is there ever a time where you would ask your partner for help other than on a checked swing?

mbyron · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 10:04am

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Originally Posted by Spence

So now that it seems unanimous that the umpire is not going to ask for help in this situation let me ask this.

Is there ever a time where you would ask your partner for help other than on a checked swing?

You need to get the PBUC red book. There are many, many instances where you can get help, too many to list in an internet post.

For example, no runners, ground ball to the infield, routine play at 1B: PU comes up the line to watch for a swipe tag, interference, and an overthrow. BU can go for help on all 3. (Pulled foot is not proper, but some will go for help on this too.)

MrUmpire · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 14, 2009, 01:32pm

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Originally Posted by Spence

So now that it seems unanimous that the umpire is not going to ask for help in this situation let me ask this.

Is there ever a time where you would ask your partner for help other than on a checked swing?

As the seemingly innocuous OP subtly transitions...

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