You make the call

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

Looks to me like the kid forgot he was playing baseball, not martial arts. I agree with Mr. Jenkins; ejection unwarranted, but a word to the player or coach.
Then I would buy some plate shoes, turn my hat around, and learn to remove my mask with my left hand.

And maybe not walk right into the catcher's path.

[BigUmp56]

I stand by my initial assessment. This wasn't a late slide, in my opinion. The runner left his feet a full 10'-12' up the baseline and intentionally attempted to kick at the fielder attempting to make the play. I'm not going to allow it in a game I'm working. Players


Tim.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I stand by my initial assessment. This wasn't a late slide, in my opinion. The runner left his feet a full 10'-12' up the baseline and intentionally attempted to kick at the fielder attempting to make the play. I'm not going to allow it in a game I'm working. Players


Tim.

I have watched it 10 more times and it gets a little worse every time. I am leaning more toward your side---a lot more.

Like you, I would also have a very low tolerance and a stern warning issued to the coach. That guy leaped into the air.

[ozzy6900]

FED - Safe and ejected (Malicious Contact)

NCAA - Safe and ejected (FPSR)

OBR (youth leagues) - Safe and ejected (unsportsmanlike conduct)

OBR MLB - Safe (He's going to get one in his ear at the next at bat)

It is my opinion (and in a game, that is all that counts) that the runner had every intention of taking out F1 at the plate. Contact is not necessary, it is how the runner presents his intentions. Had the runner not jumped into the air, there would be no problem in all codes.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

FED - Safe and ejected (Malicious Contact)

NCAA - Safe and ejected (FPSR)

OBR (youth leagues) - Safe and ejected (unsportsmanlike conduct)

OBR MLB - Safe (He's going to get one in his ear at the next at bat)

It is my opinion (and in a game, that is all that counts) that the runner had every intention of taking out F1 at the plate. Contact is not necessary, it is how the runner presents his intentions. Had the runner not jumped into the air, there would be no problem in all codes.

That's what I have too. If you want to leave him in the game (other than OBR/MLB), fine, but "having a word" with him is asking for trouble. Either it was a legal slide or it wasn't. Having a word with him will bring an argument from the DC as to why he wasn't dumped.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

NCAA - Safe and ejected (FPSR)

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Ozzy...the FPSR in NCAA pertains only to a force play situation at any base, regardless of the number of outs. So in that aspect how do you have him out for FPSR? Please believe me I'm just asking as I have always like your comments.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

Ozzy...the FPSR in NCAA pertains only to a force play situation at any base, regardless of the number of outs. So in that aspect how do you have him out for FPSR? Please believe me I'm just asking as I have always like your comments.

I can either eject him under FPSR or 8-7's Collision rule. Because the runner jumped and threw his legs out, he's a dead duck even with minimal contact. Remember, even in NCAA, safety is still a high priority. Will I get into a "discussion" with the player's HC? Probably!

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I can either eject him under FPSR or 8-7's Collision rule. Because the runner jumped and threw his legs out, he's a dead duck even with minimal contact. Remember, even in NCAA, safety is still a high priority. Will I get into a "discussion" with the player's HC? Probably!

If you eject and site FPSR are you calling the batter out as well? By rule you have to. Since there's no malicious contact how can you eject? Under all codes I've got nothing.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

If you eject and site FPSR are you calling the batter out as well? By rule you have to. Since there's no malicious contact how can you eject? Under all codes I've got nothing.

YEs your right about the EJ in FPSR but this was a passed ball and the batter was not a batter runner, so that would be tough to sell to the OC.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I can either eject him under FPSR or 8-7's Collision rule. Because the runner jumped and threw his legs out, he's a dead duck even with minimal contact. Remember, even in NCAA, safety is still a high priority. Will I get into a "discussion" with the player's HC? Probably!

Ozzy i can see kind of where in the FPSR you can get him... Illegal slide. But in the Collision rule it says that the fielder MUST have possesion of the ball. but in 8-7b.a.r. If the base runner collides flagrantly, the runner shall be declared safe on the obstruction, ( which there was none on this play) but will be EJ from the Contest. The ball is dead.. SO I can kind of agree with you, but I still think he was just being stupid... Would this happen in a College or higher game? No cause the players are smarter and are more worried about getting hurt.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

Ozzy i can see kind of where in the FPSR you can get him... Illegal slide. But in the Collision rule it says that the fielder MUST have possesion of the ball. but in 8-7b.a.r. If the base runner collides flagrantly, the runner shall be declared safe on the obstruction, ( which there was none on this play) but will be EJ from the Contest. The ball is dead.. SO I can kind of agree with you, but I still think he was just being stupid... Would this happen in a College or higher game? No cause the players are smarter and are more worried about getting hurt.

No, I doubt that NCAA players would try something like this. And the more that I think about it, FPSR is not an option in this scenerio. So I will nail him with simple Misconduct and still get rid of him.

You see, no matter what you guys argue, I am dumping this player unless he has a Contract in the Bigs!

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I can either eject him under FPSR or 8-7's Collision rule. Because the runner jumped and threw his legs out, he's a dead duck even with minimal contact. Remember, even in NCAA, safety is still a high priority. Will I get into a "discussion" with the player's HC? Probably!

That makes no sense. There is no one on first or second base so R3 could not be forced and on top of that there isn't even a batted ball. The FPSR has nothing to do with this at all.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I have him with malicious intent before he lands.

So, no run.