Hijacked from Basketball Board... with a baseball twist

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I'm just saying that you did place high school in a category that made it sound free of any real challenges. I did a H.S. game at Jered and Jeff Weaver's school, and they had another pro prospect throwing 94 mph when I was there. There was another private school in the valley that had three D-I pitchers who were already signed as juniors. One 91-mph-throwing left-hander went to Florida State; another lefty, who throws 93, went to Loyola Marymount, and the third one, a right-hander who went 20-0 with a 1.00 ERA as a varsity starter, went to NY Stonybrook. All three may be in the big leagues someday, according to not just me, but the several scouts that followed them. Their games got pretty challenging, too.

High school is not necessarily high school in several parts of the country.

Exactly the point I've tried to make here for a long time: We see lots of pro prospects and they are the ones that actually make it to the bigs. We umpire in front of really big crowds, with many scouts in attendance, and some of the games are televised. They most certainly are featured on the news at night. I've been on TV plenty of times. And I've worked big crowds at Qualcomm Stadium before. I don't care how big or small a crowd is, or how important a player or a game is, I relish the pressure situations, yet have never worked a D-1 game in my life. There is plenty of drama here in SoCal at the high school level. Baseball here is like football is to Texas.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Exactly the point I've tried to make here for a long time: We see lots of pro prospects and they are the ones that actually make it to the bigs. We umpire in front of really big crowds, with many scouts in attendance, and some of the games are televised. They most certainly are featured on the news at night. I've been on TV plenty of times. And I've worked big crowds at Qualcomm Stadium before. I don't care how big or small a crowd is, or how important a player or a game is, I relish the pressure situations, yet have never worked a D-1 game in my life. There is plenty of drama here in SoCal at the high school level. Baseball here is like football is to Texas.

Very, very well said and very true.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And you can't compare D1 with the big leagues...and so it goes.

And we never compared it to D-I, because we know we can't.

It's just high-level high school with games that are peppered with high draft picks and major D-I signees.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

And we never compared it to D-I, because we know we can't.

It's just high-level high school with games that are peppered with high draft picks and major D-I signees.

Yup.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Here are two pitchers from the team that won the National Tournament at Cal State Fullerton. I see them both as serious big league prospects. The first guy is an Orel Hershiser clone. His name is Tyler Johnson and he went 20-0 as a varsity starter in one of the most competitive leagues in the country. He's in his first year at D-I NY Stonybrook. The lefty, Ryan Hawthorne, throws 92-94 mph on corners, and has a 68 mph change, a 72 mph bender and a 82 mph bender, with command of all of them. He's sick. He's a freshman at D-I Loyola.


There are many whole states without two pitchers this good and these two guys were on the same team. And they carved up the Nos. 1, 2 and 7 teams in the country in that tournament.

There are indeed high school games that present the same challenges as any you'll find. The best 18-year-olds in California can play with anybody.

[tballump]

Kevin

I believe as the historian you would know that several high school age players that went right to the big leagues. So, it is very possible there are still excellent high school players and competition in certain areas of the country. This kid with both the 72 mph deuce and a 82 mph hook sounds impressive.

Now back to topic. Would the good respected umpires who are known to have a "tight" but consistent strike zone, be the ones who make the ball hit the some part of the white, and the good respected umps who are know to have a more "liberal" zone be the ones who make the ball hit some part of the black? I would assume the ones who start going farther out start getting the reputation of being too liberal even if they are consistent.

[Cub42]

I seems to me that comparing HS players and games to college or pro baseball is getting a little carried away. Many here have worked games in the HS arena where highly touted prospects have played in. But it is still a HS game. With HS players and coaches. It is not College or professional baseball.

[tballump]

Oops

Sorry for the 2nd paragraph in #81 above. It should go on the other post. "That's a balk" on my part.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Cub42

I seems to me that comparing HS players and games to college or pro baseball is getting a little carried away. ... But it is still a HS game. With HS players and coaches. It is not College or professional baseball.

Where did you get that?

Wow, that's quite a reach.

[Cub42]

Where did I get what? After I read the scouting report accompanied by the pictures, we needed a little dose of reality.Don't fall in love with the players

[SethPDX]

I think he's just showing us some of the talent that plays in California. That there are many different levels of high school ball is reality.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Cub42

Where did I get what? After I read the scouting report accompanied by the pictures, we needed a little dose of reality.Don't fall in love with the players

Oh, okay ... I'll be sure to watch myself. And I'll tell all the Southern California pro and college scouts that followed them around to control themselves too. And I'll try not to make any other comparisons to elite umpires like yourself that make me seem naive. Maybe when I grow up more, I won't be so impressionable.

[Cub42]

My point was that many on this board understand about prospects and scouts. There is no need to get belligerent and run at me. My advice is to not get caught up in all of that. I.m not elite. Relax

[Kevin Finnerty]

I don't know if words like "relax" or "belligerent" or terms like "running at me" apply to anything that I present.

My point is exactly what Seth said: there is high school ball in this region and a couple of others that is of a level that most don't experience or relate to and perhaps shouldn't be painted over with such a broad stroke like it is quite often around here, and like you seemingly were doing. I made that point by emphasizing that a single team had a pair of pitchers that are phenomenal.

No, I'll go continue to relax.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Cub42

My point was that many on this board understand about prospects and scouts. There is no need to get belligerent and run at me. My advice is to not get caught up in all of that. I.m not elite. Relax

I saw none of that point in your original post.