Arrogance and Being "Bigger than the Game"

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Hey dude,

Try to be a bit more judgmental of me next time.

I didn't bring up age as an excuse in this thread, so quit accusing me of whining. While you're at it, stop shooting me down all the time, and if you agree with something I say please refrain from saying "this is one of the few good canadaump posts on here". While you're at it, trash your little list of debatable things I've said in my time here, because from umpiring video I can tell you are far from perfect yourself.

You are accusing me of not contributing to rule discussions, which I do on a regular basis and did a just a few days ago on the "err" play. I've asked questions and posted videos, so don't accuse me of not trying to improve.

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Finally, be courteous, impartial and firm, and so compel respect from all.

Once again you're missing the point and are completely dismissing an attempt to help you get over this hump you're stuck on. John was genuinly trying to help you, not accusing you of anything, but rather giving a constructive criticism of your demeanor. He's right, you really need to get over what you perceive as age discrimination.


Tim.

[mbyron]

Another consideration: what is the run-of-the-mill umpire like in your area? Around here, we have a lot of chummy old-timers, of various quality as umpires. But the coaches know them all, ask about their kids, etc. Anyone who declines to BS with the coaches before the game could come across as arrogant and aloof merely by contrast with the norm.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Another consideration: what is the run-of-the-mill umpire like in your area? Around here, we have a lot of chummy old-timers, of various quality as umpires. But the coaches know them all, ask about their kids, etc. Anyone who declines to BS with the coaches before the game could come across as arrogant and aloof merely by contrast with the norm.

I'd take this a step further and say it's not just the coaches, it could also be the absence of 'chumminess' with the other umpires.

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Once again you're missing the point and are completely dismissing an attempt to help you get over this hump you're stuck on. John was genuinly trying to help you, not accusing you of anything, but rather giving a constructive criticism of your demeanor. He's right, you really need to get over what you perceive as age discrimination.


Tim.

Please bear with me on this point- many posters on here say people see Tuss as arrogant because he is young. To me this is age discrimination.

I still hold that I was not whining. Please re-read the post which John quoted:

Now, I know I was told on here that age doesn't have anything to do with how one is regarded on the field, but I think we all know that age really does have an impact on how you are percieved.

To me, the post above is not whining. Most of us agree that age does affect how others percieve you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Please bear with me on this point- many posters on here say people see Tuss as arrogant because he is young. To me this is age discrimination.

Nope, it's a perception issue that can be addressed. Addressing it can help you, as the perception likely exposes behavior, posture, or tone that can hinder a career for a long time. Just because the effects are magnified with the young doesn't mean they don't hurt the less-young.