Does Run count?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

As Mark stated, we went round and round with this before. Let's break it down.

1. Bases loaded, 2 out.
2. Batter walks (awarded 1st base)
3. All runners must advance at least 1 base.

Because of the award, the runner from 3rd scores no matter what. After that, everyone is on his own. In your case the runner rounding 3rd was caught off the base and therefore caused the 3rd out - inning over.

Don't be taken back because this is a question that many rookies (and some veterans) get wrong in the clinics. Like anything else, if you break it down and take it step by step, you can usually figure it out.

Ozzy:

I really need to get to bed because I just thought of something about the thread I linked in my post above. We all know that the run is "supposed" to count. What if, and I do mean if, the runner who is lally gagging from third to home plate, because the runner going from second to third has been tagged out after rounding third, decides to abandon his right to tag home and enters the dugout. What do we have? And what are we going to do?

MTD, Sr.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Ozzy:

I really need to get to bed because I just thought of something about the thread I linked in my post above. We all know that the run is "supposed" to count. What if, and I do mean if, the runner who is lally gagging from third to home plate, because the runner going from second to third has been tagged out after rounding third, decides to abandon his right to tag home and enters the dugout. What do we have? And what are we going to do?

MTD, Sr.

Good Question. If R3 is lolly gagging but still touches the plate, his run has to count. However, if R3 abandons, he may still touch the plate until he enters dead ball area (the dugout). This is an award not a base advancement.

Now if he enters the dugout, we are going to have a $hithouse because I am not going to count the run! R3 must touch the plate or if R3 becomes injured, a substitute must be brought in to touch the plate in order to complete the award.

[PeteBooth]

This is covered in OBR 4.09 EXCEPTION The terminology used is Refuses to touch home plate but abandoning the base and refusing to touch IMO are similiar so you would call the runner out and NOT count the run.

Also, I cannot remember who said it but Punish stupidity whenever possible

Pete Booth

[Nigel Tufnel]

Also, I cannot remember who said it but Punish stupidity whenever possible

Pete Booth[/QUOTE]

Amen...

Enough of the "what if's" in this scenario. This will not happen in shaving age, and if it happens below that, coaches, parents, and the groundskeeper will be on that kid to touch home..

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Also, I cannot remember who said it but Punish stupidity whenever possible

Pete Booth

Amen...

Enough of the "what if's" in this scenario. This will not happen in shaving age, and if it happens below that, coaches, parents, and the groundskeeper will be on that kid to touch home..[/QUOTE]

Can't take it not happening for granted.