Does Run count?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by LongIslandZebra

why three?

Once the batter-runner touches 1B a play on him becomes a time play. That is, any runners that touch the plate before the batter-runner is put out will score. This includes an appeal play at a base other than 1B, as described in your play.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Once the batter-runner touches 1B a play on him becomes a time play. That is, any runners that touch the plate before the batter-runner is put out will score. This includes an appeal play at a base other than 1B, as described in your play.

This is the best and most consise way I've heard/read this presented. Thanks PDX

[greymule]

Remember that while "no matter what" applies to the runner rounding 3B and being tagged out, it does not apply to every imaginable occurrence. The run does not count if the runner from 3B is declared out for entering DBT before touching home plate, or if another runner is declared out for some violation before the runner from 3B touches home.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by greymule

snip...or if another runner is declared out for some violation before the runner from 3B touches home.

prove it.

[greymule]

prove it.

This forum has discussed "declared out versus put out" several times over the past few years. There are case plays. All my books (J/R, BRD, Evans, etc.) are packed up at the moment, but maybe somebody will chip in.

I remember specifically the case play in which the batter hits a 2-out grand slam but rounds 1B and passes R1 before R3 touches the plate. No run in that case. I can't see why the same principle wouldn't hold after a base on balls.

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by greymule

I remember specifically the case play in which the batter hits a 2-out grand slam but rounds 1B and passes R1 before R3 touches the plate. No run in that case. I can't see why the same principle wouldn't hold after a base on balls.

That case play is NCAA 8-5m A.R. I'm not aware of any similar case play in OBR. But Childress does recommend for OBR that umpires treat the situation like NCAA.

However, and interestingly, he also has a caseplay (414 in my BRD) which explicitly says that with a bases loaded 2 out walk, the run scores even if R1 passes R2 before R3 scores. He lists PBUC 3.13 and 7.04 b CMT as justification, seemingly regarding the question of put our versus declared out as non-material.

[greymule]

R1, two outs. Batter hits the ball over the fence and passes R1 between 1B and 2B. Would you let R1 continue around the bases and score? I wouldn't.