Orioles-Yankees Game

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I thought from the OP that the ump was in the outfield grass...

Deep B is on the edge of the infield grass. Regular B used in 2-man and some 3-man situations but is not used in 4-man mechanics. I don't know the term for U2 standing in the outfield when there is no one on base or R3 only. I guess it's called "standing in the outfield."

[JR12]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Deep B is on the edge of the infield grass. Regular B used in 2-man and some 3-man situations but is not used in 4-man mechanics. I don't know the term for U2 standing in the outfield when there is no one on base or R3 only. I guess it's called "standing in the outfield."

Steve, I think it's refered to as "the pasture" or E.

[BigUmp56]

I'm by no means an authority on four man mechanics. But there was no mention in the OP of there being any runners at the time of the incident. Seems to me, and apparently I'm wrong, that with no runners on base - the second base umpire would be positioned behind the fielders.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm by no means an authority on four man mechanics. But there was no mention in the OP of there being any runners at the time of the incident. Seems to me, and apparently I'm wrong, that with no runners on base - the second base umpire would be positioned behind the fielders.


Tim.

Well Timster, I must fill you in then:

A) The OP mentioned that it was a RBI single, which means there was someone somewhere on a base.

B) Deep B is an infield position, not the outfield, which I just found out is called "The Pasture," or "E." So in "Deep B," U2 is in front of the fielders, so the batted ball is dead if it hits him.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well Timster, I must fill you in then:

A) The OP mentioned that it was a RBI single, which means there was someone somewhere on a base.

B) Deep B is an infield position, not the outfield, which I just found out is called "The Pasture," or "E." So in "Deep B," U2 is in front of the fielders, so the batted ball is dead if it hits him.

Thanks, Steve. I completely missed the RBI mention...........


Tim.

[JR12]

Sorry guys, I just realized by the confusion I forgot to mention in the Op there was R1 and R2.

[tballump]

Glad Ed Rapuano on good old Cowboy Joe's crew was not hurt.

Concerning the "tie" issue. I thought that was something worn with a suit.

I believe rule 609 j and 708 e contradict each other by saying the runner must "beat" the throw in one, and the other says the throw must "beat" the runner. This was maddening to a philospher (Eric Bronson) who was reading the Rule Book, when he found that the ball and runner arriving at the same time could be ruled either way.

I imagine (just guessing) the umpires pick one or the other interpretation and stick with it for the bang-bang (or banger) play, or maybe they let the "play" decide the one used. A good fielding play would be rewarded in the fielders favor and a poorly fielded play in the runners favor. I'm sure you guys who are friends with the MLU and MiLB and DIV 1 can expound on this if you haven't on plenty of other posts in the past.

Palmer keeps ball hitting ump alive, Morgan gives the tie to the runner, and McCarver doesn't like McClelland's slow strike call. What's next?

But what do I know. I just put the ball on the tee and watch out for kids throwing the bat and try not to get hit.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tballump

I believe rule 609 j and 708 e contradict each other .

That would be 605 (j). I like 7.08 (e) much better.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by tballump

I imagine (just guessing) the umpires pick one or the other interpretation and stick with it for the bang-bang (or banger) play, or maybe they let the "play" decide the one used. A good fielding play would be rewarded in the fielders favor and a poorly fielded play in the runners favor. I'm sure you guys who are friends with the MLU and MiLB and DIV 1 can expound on this if you haven't on plenty of other posts in the past.

Umpires don't see "ties" and then decide which ruling to choose from or base a call on how well or poorly a fielder played a ball. Umpires see a sequence of events and then rule on what happened first. THERE ARE NO TIES.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by waltjp

THERE ARE NO TIES.

There are at least 25,000 LL parents who would (loudly) disagree with you.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by LMan

There are at least 25,000 LL parents who would (loudly) disagree with you.

Not to mention coaches......