Legion Baseball Question

[Gmoore]

Team A's best player is not there for the game the game gets suspended in bottom of the 9th due to rain and game is tied.

Make up date is set and Team A's best player is back can he play in the game?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

Team A's best player is not there for the game the game gets suspended in bottom of the 9th due to rain and game is tied.

Make up date is set and Team A's best player is back can he play in the game?

Yes.......................


Tim.

[Gmoore]

Thanks.... I thought he would be able to play.

[bobbybanaduck]

i'm goin with no if he wasn't on the original line up card, but can argue it either way. my argument for no is that the exact line up card from that game has to be used in the completion of the contest, and only players that are on that lineup are eligible. the exception, as stated in OBR 4.12c, is for a player that was not with the club on the date the game was played. the wording of the rule (shocking, i know) is a bit amibiguous, because it allows for multiple interpretations of what "with the club" means, and is where the argument for yes could arise.

from the professional standpoint, "with the club" means on the roster, and does not mean on vacation or sick or whatever. if a guy is on the roster and does not come to the game for whatever reason, pro managers still list him on the card in case this type of scenario happens. the reference in 4.12c to a player not with the club means that a guy has been traded to or acquired by the team at a point in time after that game was suspended, and it is allowing said player to participate in the completion of the suspended game.

i looked through the Legion rules http://www.baseball.legion.org/forms/alb_rules2008.pdf
and did not find anything that specifically covers this as a rules difference, so you gotta use the OBR to govern, which would lead me to my answer of no because of the above stated professional meaning of "with the club."

[BigUmp56]

Bobby,

If he's a rostered player, he's eligible......................period.


Tim.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

i'm goin with no if he wasn't on the original line up card, but can argue it either way. my argument for no is that the exact line up card from that game has to be used in the completion of the contest, and only players that are on that lineup are eligible. the exception, as stated in OBR 4.12c, is for a player that was not with the club on the date the game was played. the wording of the rule (shocking, i know) is a bit amibiguous, because it allows for multiple interpretations of what "with the club" means, and is where the argument for yes could arise.

from the professional standpoint, "with the club" means on the roster, and does not mean on vacation or sick or whatever. if a guy is on the roster and does not come to the game for whatever reason, pro managers still list him on the card in case this type of scenario happens. the reference in 4.12c to a player not with the club means that a guy has been traded to or acquired by the team at a point in time after that game was suspended, and it is allowing said player to participate in the completion of the suspended game.

i looked through the Legion rules http://www.baseball.legion.org/forms/alb_rules2008.pdf
and did not find anything that specifically covers this as a rules difference, so you gotta use the OBR to govern, which would lead me to my answer of no because of the above stated professional meaning of "with the club."

Wow - a most unique claim. Before anyone can buy into this, please tell us where the rule is that says all the players have to be on the "lineup card" in the first place.


4.01
(a) First, the home manager shall give his batting order to the umpire-in-chief, in duplicate.

(b) Next, the visiting manager shall give his batting order to the umpire-in-chief, in duplicate.

4.04
The batting order shall be followed throughout the game unless a player is substituted for another. In that case the substitute shall take the place of the replaced player in the batting order.

So therfore the batting order is only the players in the game, not the subs. AND, this is all that is required to be exchanged.

In addition:

The roster is the official list of eligible team members, not a list of those present for the game. In pro baseball the league office has the official version. Most youth leagues have a player agent or whatever that maintains the official roster. American Legion has ALB Registration Form #1 which lists the team

http://www.baseball.legion.org/forms/alb_form1.pdf

[SanDiegoSteve]

I'm Tall is wrong on this one. Better go ask Ed King!

[bobbybanaduck]

Ed king would fall over and shake if you asked him that. crow eaten. too many double talking rules and interps (MLBUM states SHALL list all players, but then says they don't have to later. splendid.) and too much reading into it by the tall one. answer changed to yes, let the fool play.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

Ed king would fall over and shake if you asked him that. crow eaten. too many double talking rules and interps (MLBUM states SHALL list all players, but then says they don't have to later. splendid.) and too much reading into it by the tall one. answer changed to yes, let the fool play.

Hey, you're pretty damn bright, and you don't get tripped up very often. What, you're batting around .999 now? It is good to know I'm not the only one who gets a rule screwed up now and then.

Shut up Tyler

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

Ed king would fall over and shake if you asked him that. crow eaten. too many double talking rules and interps (MLBUM states SHALL list all players, but then says they don't have to later. splendid.) and too much reading into it by the tall one. answer changed to yes, let the fool play.

The copy of the MLBUM that I have says:

3.1 LINEUP CARDS
Each manager should write the name of each eligible player on the face of his club's batting order card in addition to furnishing the starting lineup. However, a manager's failure to list an eligible player does not prevent that player from entering the game, nor is such failure grounds for protest, as the listing of eligible players is simply a courtesy.

[Gmoore]

I have read thru the legion rule book that I have but cant seem to find the answers I am looking for:

1. If the umpire feels the batter made no effort in avoiding being hit is the pitch called on location as to where it is either a ball or a strike

2. Can a player coach be ejected after the game is over?

[DG]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

I have read thru the legion rule book that I have but cant seem to find the answers I am looking for:

1. If the umpire feels the batter made no effort in avoiding being hit is the pitch called on location as to where it is either a ball or a strike

2. Can a player coach be ejected after the game is over?

Yes to both questions.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

I have read thru the legion rule book that I have but cant seem to find the answers I am looking for:

1. If the umpire feels the batter made no effort in avoiding being hit is the pitch called on location as to where it is either a ball or a strike

2. Can a player coach be ejected after the game is over?

1. Award the base most of the time, even if it was a ball. Don't get into a habit of holding batters back on a hit-by-pitch even if the batter made no effort to move out of the way. If it was a strike, its okay to have him stay right there.
2. Ball game! You didn't see anything after the game was over. If you did see something of interest, notify the proper authorities. You are no longer the guy in charge.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

2. Ball game! You didn't see anything after the game was over. If you did see something of interest, notify the proper authorities. You are no longer the guy in charge.

I don't think so....................

Here's a hypothetical:

Losing teams assistant coach walks up to you and your partner as you're trying to exit the field after the game is over. He tells the both of you, "You're the worst f&*$%#in umpires I've ever seen. You gave us a real F$*&%#in out there tonight."

I can promise you that I would immediately issue a post game ejection for something like this.


Tim.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I can promise you that I would immediately issue a post game ejection for something like this.

great, what's the rule??