Legion Baseball Question

[Gmoore]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't think so....................

Here's a hypothetical:

Losing teams assistant coach walks up to you and your partner as you're trying to exit the field after the game is over. He tells the both of you, "You're the worst f&*$%#in umpires I've ever seen. You gave us a real F$*&%#in out there tonight."

I can promise you that I would immediately issue a post game ejection for something like this.


Tim.

Removing the F words this is kinda what happened I was not umpiring the game but the losing coach and plate umpire were not telling each other "good game" The coach later ask me if he could be ejected after the game, my reply was the umpire is in charge til he leaves the playing field I know that may be a NFHS rule, But i can not find that verbage in OBR or Legion Rules

There are different opinions here can anyone provide the "official" ruling?

[DG]

I hope you are not thinking about what rule to use use to toss when this happens. Take care of business before you leave, and then report per 9.05a and 9.05b and then league president is required to follow 9.05c and apply whatever penalites deem necessary. Often there is not a next game penalty anyway, so get your satisfaction before you leave.

[johnnyg08]

Right, so it's not a post game ejection...the penalty is applied by the league. It's probably more of a post game conduct report. Just saying.

[Gmoore]

Originally Posted by DG

I hope you are not thinking about what rule to use use to toss when this happens. Take care of business before you leave, and then report per 9.05a and 9.05b and then league president is required to follow 9.05c and apply whatever penalites deem necessary. Often there is not a next game penalty anyway, so get your satisfaction before you leave.

I am not looking for the rule to use I just want to know if you can eject a player or a coach after the 3rd out is made to end the game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

I am not looking for the rule to use I just want to know if you can eject a player or a coach after the 3rd out is made to end the game.

It depends on the league.

You can always write a report. Some leagues, though, won't take much action on the report if there wasn't also an ejjection.

[Rcichon]

jurisdiction ends when you exit thru the fence. Until then, your authority is clear and what you see and/or hear is subject to what you see or hear...



IMHO.

Then again, if you officiate shaving age softball in our town and later, a player comes up to you say, in a bar or shopping mall, engages you in argument or voices objection to a call you made in a previous game (or worse), that player has violated a M.A.S.A. rule and is subject to disciplinary action including disqualification.

FWIW

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

voices objection to a call you made in a previous game (or worse), that player has violated a M.A.S.A. rule and is subject to disciplinary action including disqualification.

FWIW

sadly enough, something probably happened to warrant this rule.

[Gmoore]

Originally Posted by SAump

But was the ejection warranted or was that other offer to join your partner for a free coke and a hotdog more important?

I had no dog in the fight, I was just ask the simple question by the coach if he could be ejected after the game had ended.

"The umpire shall immediately eject from the game any individuals violating this regulation"..... The game was over the 3rd out had been recorded, the teams had shook hands, on the way back to the dugout the coach asked the umpire a question about a call, the home plate umpire was still on the playing field observing the hand shake.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

The game was over the 3rd out had been recorded, the teams had shook hands, on the way back to the dugout the coach asked the umpire a question about a call, the home plate umpire was still on the playing field observing the hand shake.

In my opinion, this is where the umpire went wrong. The last sentence should have read, "...the coach wanted to yell at the umpire about a call, but both umpires were already out the gate and on their way to the parking lot, so the coach had to go screw himself."

Or words to that effect.

[johnnyg08]

my only issue with an umpire who thinks they can "eject" after a game is over...find an OBR rule that supports you. If there is a suspension involved, they will appeal your decision and you'll lose the appeal...as said before...the governing body can certainly suspend...but if there's no rule to support your ejection, you leave it all to the governing body. If it's that bad...challenge you association to not work one of the team's next games...home or away. just a thought.

[Gmoore]

Arlington Heights protested a ruling in their game against Edwardsville in the 7th inning of the first game of the Senior American Legion State Tournament played in Belleville at Whitey Herzog field. A. H.brought in a relief pitcher ; moved their starting pitcher to 1b.

The reliever was going in for the left fielder, with the first baseman going to left. According to Edwardsville's coach, the move was illegal since A.H. did not go directly to the H.P. umpire to inform him of the multiple position changes. Without a major league rule book at hand the three umpires agreed that the A.H move was illegal and removed the starting pitcher (now 1b) from the duration of the game. After A.H. lost the game 8-4 the rule book was consulted from other umpires who had arrived. No evidence could be found that A.H. had done anything wrong with their substitutions ; especially since it didn't involve a "double switch". The protest was upheld by the protest committee. The game will resume from the protested point with E-Ville batting , leading 4-2. Two on; one out.
Anybody out their who can find something in the Major League Rule Case Book on this particular situation?

[L.A. Umpire Guy]

"Coming from a coach of your almost immeasurably low skill level, that hardly rates as even an insult."

This usually seems to work.

[Gmoore]

Originally Posted by L.A. Umpire Guy

"Coming from a coach of your almost immeasurably low skill level, that hardly rates as even an insult."

This usually seems to work.

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[L.A. Umpire Guy]

When a coach has an opinion of our umpiring, he is virtually always an incompetent, loose-cannon redass. How could anything someone like that says have any real importance?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Gmoore

Arlington Heights protested a ruling in their game against Edwardsville in the 7th inning of the first game of the Senior American Legion State Tournament played in Belleville at Whitey Herzog field. A. H.brought in a relief pitcher ; moved their starting pitcher to 1b.

The reliever was going in for the left fielder, with the first baseman going to left. According to Edwardsville's coach, the move was illegal since A.H. did not go directly to the H.P. umpire to inform him of the multiple position changes. Without a major league rule book at hand the three umpires agreed that the A.H move was illegal and removed the starting pitcher (now 1b) from the duration of the game. After A.H. lost the game 8-4 the rule book was consulted from other umpires who had arrived. No evidence could be found that A.H. had done anything wrong with their substitutions ; especially since it didn't involve a "double switch". The protest was upheld by the protest committee. The game will resume from the protested point with E-Ville batting , leading 4-2. Two on; one out.
Anybody out their who can find something in the Major League Rule Case Book on this particular situation?

You don't need a case book. Only one sub was made NewF1 for F7. BFD.

The "go to the umpire first" requirement only applies to double-switches - which involve substituting two or more players into the batting order. See 3.03.

You don't have to announce position changes. You can't find this in the rule book because it isn't a requirement. You can swap in-the-bating-order players around to different fielding positions all day and not announce anything. See 4.03(c).