Chris Guccione Ejection....

[RPatrino]

The pitch looked low to me, and the catcher pulled the pitch. Looks like a ball to me. EJ of Cox was automatic if he was arguing balls/strikes.

[socalblue1]

What you don't see in the video is the gestures and comments by Carlyle or the whining from the dugout by Cox earlier in the game. An umpire at that level is only going to take so much before he barks back or ejects.

The Braves are a whiny bunch. led by every umpires best friend (Cox). It's been that way for years and will continue until Bobby retires.

[SanDiegoSteve]

It was only Guccione's second ejection of the year. It's not like he's out there trying to fill a quota or anything.

Cox, on the other hand, is a classless, jerk who has a disdain for umpires and their authority going all the way back to when he played ball.

I'll go with Guccione on this one just on principle.

[Fan10]

It was only Guccione's second ejection of the year. It's not like he's out there trying to fill a quota or anything.

True. Joe Simpson, the commentator, overreacted with his comments about that.

Cox, on the other hand, is a classless, wife-beating jerk who has a disdain for umpires and their authority going all the way back to when he played ball.

Being that you're a former pro umpire, you may have some inside info that I don't know. But, take a look at the quotes in these two articles from Richie Garcia, Ron Kulpa, and Jim McKeon. And, you'll find a very different view of Cox http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...jections_N.htm
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...4706272090.txt

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Fan10

Being that you're a former pro umpire, you may have some inside info that I don't know.

uhh, no. The poster you quoted is Sandiegosteve and he is not a former pro umpire.

[aceholleran]

A current MLB arbiter told me this about a current MLB manager (not Mr. Cox). I paraphrase.

"Sometimes, he'll start the chirping--loud--in the first inning. By the time we get to six or seven, and skip finally comes out of the dugout, you're so sick of him that you toss him."

The media can't hear what comes from the dugout. IMHO, this is what precedes many EJs.

When's the last time you saw an EJ on tv and heard an announcer say, "Well, Joey Bagodunts has been ejected, and he probably deserved it."

Harummph.

Ace

[Fan10]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

uhh, no. The poster you quoted is Sandiegosteve and he is not a former pro umpire.

Sorry, got he and bobbybanaduck mixed up.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

uhh, no. The poster you quoted is Sandiegosteve and he is not a former pro umpire.

I"M NOT???????

[BBUMP99]

I think the ejection was warranted if Bobby truly was arguing balls and strikes. If Bobby was coming out to see what kind of beef Guccione had with Carlyle, that was a mighty quick hook. I'm a Braves fan, and judging by Bobby's motions and gestures during the argument, that the strike zone topic didn't come up until well after he had been ejected. Bobby is a manager who will fight for his players. I think thats what was happening. He saw an umpire go after his player, and he wanted to know why.
Was it a good call?
I'm not one to make that determination.
As an umpire, I'm not going to say whether or not I would have ejected him because none of us really can tell without actually being in the situation at that moment.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BBUMP99

I think the ejection was warranted if Bobby truly was arguing balls and strikes. If Bobby was coming out to see what kind of beef Guccione had with Carlyle, that was a mighty quick hook. I'm a Braves fan, and judging by Bobby's motions and gestures during the argument, that the strike zone topic didn't come up until well after he had been ejected. Bobby is a manager who will fight for his players. I think thats what was happening. He saw an umpire go after his player, and he wanted to know why.
Was it a good call?
I'm not one to make that determination.
As an umpire, I'm not going to say whether or not I would have ejected him because none of us really can tell without actually being in the situation at that moment.

After 141 ejections, he gets what he has coming to him.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by BBUMP99

I think the ejection was warranted if Bobby truly was arguing balls and strikes. If Bobby was coming out to see what kind of beef Guccione had with Carlyle, that was a mighty quick hook.

Bobby was warned not to come out. He came out. He was ejected.

That's not quick, that's efficient.

I'm a Braves fan,

Noted.

[David B]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It was only Guccione's second ejection of the year. It's not like he's out there trying to fill a quota or anything.

Cox, on the other hand, is a classless, jerk who has a disdain for umpires and their authority going all the way back to when he played ball.

I'll go with Guccione on this one just on principle.

Say what you want about Cox, but he's gotten results and he always has backed his players.

Glavine, Maddox, Smoltz, Chipper, the lists goes on and on of players who stand by him as one of the best of all time.

If he had a problem with Cox chirping from the dugout, take it out on Cox, but the video clearly shows the player did not show him up by his actions.

But, as you stated, Cox leads the majors I believe in ejections so he does have a reputation. But, for him to stay out that long tells me that there was something going on ... he usually is ejected and then leaves.

Thanks
David

[Rich]

Originally Posted by David B

If he had a problem with Cox chirping from the dugout, take it out on Cox, but the video clearly shows the player did not show him up by his actions.

Thanks
David

How about the lack of audio? So if he yelled "F*** you" into his shirt he shouldn't get a response cause nobody can see it?

Cox, these days, can't take one step out of a dugout without getting run. As it should be - his reputation precedes him.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Rich,

Then he should've dumped carlysle' azz right away!!!!

If someone says "F*ck you" you dump them simple as that. Obviously Carlysle did not say enough to get ejected right there so I don't think that Guccione did it right. Same thing that Runge did a month or so ago.

Guccione and Runge both issued warnings in a traditional manner that Rats understand. No problem there. Runge was fine until the bump.

Would you prefer Guccione have a quick finger on Carlysle?

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

The red is where we disagree. Their warnings should not have been as loud as they were. I think a better option for Guccione is to either dump Carlyle because he said something dump-worthy (Which isn't having a quick finger), or tell his catcher to go tell him to knock it off. If Carlyle says something out in the open, then we should respond the same way. If Carlyle turns his back and says something so nobody knows (Maybe he's pissed at himself and just says GD or something along those lines?) then we need to send a message where nobody else knows as well. Just my opinion.

Fight back with equal force, maybe even a notch below, approach?

Am I judoing now?