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Did we see the same play? IMO, Classic baiting by the umpire, yeah the batter said something in a "non show-n up way". Silence him or toss him, like some have said. But to step up remove the mask, get in the guys face and give an axx chewing, IMO is outta line.. The manager probably couldn't believe his eyes, and came out, not to argue balls and strikes, but to give a deserved Axx chewing himself, for baiting his player. I reacted the same way when I saw Rungee's antics, told my bride "uh oh, here we go, this guys outta line"... "No, or incidental contact", your kidding right? That my friend was a classic chest bump that would get a player fined and suspended in a heart beat. The player in return, admitted that he then lost it when the umpire bumped his skipper, said it was by the far the maddest he'd ever been on a ballfield Unbelievable, if this umpire isn't reprimanded, fined, suspended, I'll poop and fall right over backwards in it...wow. I think Rungee fell into the dark abyss every umpire fights and strives to keep out of. IMO an umpire must maintain a higher standard than what I saw.
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By the way, Jerry Manuel does not agree. He said he would not want Brian Runge to be fined or suspended, that a simple apology would be fine with him. They both shook hands and were cordial with each other at their next plate meeting. I think the Met's new skipper knows that it wasn't all Brian's fault like everyone is trying to make it seem.
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This quibbling is a little silly, given that we have only a fraction of the facts. Why not see what the league does? Unless Runge is fined or suspended, I think the proper conclusion is that he handled the situation correctly.
I don't suppose all the details will ever be made public. So to reach a detailed conclusion would be whistling in the dark.
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Apparently Runge apologized to Manuel yesterday for his actions.
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First I see beltran turn his head, look right at Rungee and start jawing.(not looking down) it was obvious to the announcers that he didnt like the call. However Rungee then tried to one up Beltran by speaking to him(mask off) BEFORE cleaning the plate.
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Well everyone, I didn't loose any sleep, pay or games because of this whole thing. The concerned parties "made nice-nice" and the world moves on! More that I can say for this thread of 5 pages of useless arguing! Get on with your lives, I'm sure that you all have games that you can discuss with the rest of us.
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Sorry guys but I saw the argument on tv, and Runge clearly bumped Manuel. I wasn't impressed with any of their behaviour, and I would suggest a slight pay cut for Runge and a one game suspension for both Manuel and Beltran. That way they can all recieve a consequence but have a chance to move on and get on with baseball the next day.
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Besides, the umpire's union would never go for a pay cut.
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Skipper said shut up and play Gilligan
Event: Complaints about bad calls after every close pitch.
Error 1: Clear the matter up by dusting the plate and giving back some lip service. Error 2: Eject the biggest yardbird immediately for arguing balls and strikes. Error 3: Stand firm, ignore the yardbirds and tighten their strike zone. Error 4: Ignore the CS as much as possible and return to your duties asap. Which would Gilligan choose?
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Yeah thats it, anger management lessons will fix it. So just how much is the rate for a chest bump or an unmasked glare? Only poor people think everyone has to pay for every mistake they make. Only rich people make mistakes all the time and get away with it too. Only parent, administrators, judge and CEOs decide fair punishment. But position in life or money does always equal moral ineptitude. Sometimes the best discipline was knowing you made a mistake and should attempt to never do it again. Can you accept an apology?
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fyi...
Runge was suspended for one game. Manuel and Beltran were fined. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releas...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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