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Any opinions on what Rungee did with beltran and manual? I have no problem with saying something to the effect off "stop arguing balls and strikes." maybe with a little more .... umph to it. Or just ignoring it... what ever the preference is. The problem I have is that instead of a quick word it turned into a conversation that got heated... then just before Rungee throws out the new manager for the mets.... He makes contact by stepping at the coach!!!:eek: then throws him out.... any thoughts?

Don't leave the dugout to argue balls and strikes. Runge probably wishes he got rid of him sooner.

Watched the video and all I have to say is they both deserved to go! The announcers BS about "umpire baiting" is full of $hit! Beltran was pi$$ing and moaning at the plate and Runge probably heard enough. If Manuel just stayed in the dugout and kept his mouth shut, it all would have been fine. Both Beltran and Manuel are long running complaining a$$holes anyway. Neither deserve to remain in any game for more than 5 minutes just on general principal! :D

Umpires normally leave their masks on until they have heard something that warrants an ejection. When that happens, the proper course of action is to remove the mask to make the ejection. Beltran probably called Runge a stupid pendejo or something similar. Contrary to popular fan and announcer opinion, umpires are not required to just stand there and take a bunch of crap. If you argue balls and strikes, you're done. If you come out of the dugout to defend a player who was ejected for arguing balls and strikes, you're done too. Very simple. Beltran obviously crossed the line, and Brian sent him packing.

yeah I think its the bump that looks REALLY bad not so much that he ran them.... balls and strikes shouldnt be argued ... I just think that it was poorly handled at least from the appearence of it all.

So, guessing you aren't out to sniff Runge's jock anytime soon? :D


Use more than a word or two to argue balls and strikes, you're done. Leave the dugout to do the same, you're done. Just sayin'...

Well, having both umpired his games as a HS player, and umpired with him on several occasions, I have never known Brian Runge to be a hothead that ejects for no good reason. To the contrary, I find him a bit too tolerant. That is what leads me to believe that Beltran may have said something inappropriate.

Yeah, let's not assume anything? Where did I assume anything? I said "probably." What does that assume? He probably did say something. Odds are that he did (that's what "probably" means). Players all the time cuss umpires under their breath to make the umpire look like the bad guy when they get ejected. You are making a big assumption thinking Beltran was pure as the driven snow and was merely suggesting that Brian was in error. Bull Excrement.

The umpires aren't out there to take a bunch of crap off these overpaid, underworked prima donna athletes. I'm just sayin'...

What if he puts his head down and calls you a stupid MFer? Putting his head down doesn't mean he can stand there and say anything he wants. Guys in the ML don't overreact to a comment or two made with a head down, I'd prefer to assume that Beltran crossed some line and Runge wasn't going to let him get away with it.

Thoughts on the Jerry Manual bump?

After viewing the video, here is what I saw. Pitch was called strike 2, and Beltran didn't agree with the call and he was jawing with Runge. Runge apparently didn't like Beltrans jawboning him, so he took his mask off and engaged Beltran in a little conversation while cleaning the plate off. So far, so good, no EJ and the discussion is not over heated. Then Manual comes out apparently to object to Runge's talking to Beltran. If I'm Brian, I'm telling Manual I am going to talk to anyone I want to. Thats when the situation deteriorated. Beltran then started in on Brian and was tossed.

I probably would have left my mask on and cleaned the plate off while talking to Beltran. Had Runge done that, we might have had a different outcome. The bump on Manual looked incidental and not on purpose to me.

And neither should you or anyone else that wasn't privy to the conversation. That was my point.

I think you are probably right. Beltran should probably be suspended for that, but it most likely won't happen. Manuel, also, for making a poor situation worse.

And Runge for making contact with Manuel?

Okay, I've heard enough about the phantom "bump." I've watched the video 5 or 6 times now, from start to finish. After Brian cleaned the plate, he stood up to walk back behind the plate only to find Manuel between Beltran and the catcher. Manuel had no business out there whatsoever. His rat was arguing balls and strikes, so as head of rats he felt it was his duty to bring his ancient butt out there to argue. He is the one initiating contact with Runge by getting in his personal space. You don't get up in someone's face and expect to get away without a bit of contact.

Then, after a lengthy arguement in which Runge was his extra-patient usual self, Manuel started to walk away, still in the ballgame. Then, for some reason, as Runge didn't say a word, Manuel starts back at Runge and gets right up into his grill, nose-to-nose. Then Runge appears to distance himself and walk around Manuel to the right. That's when Manuel tried to block Runge off and a little contact occurred just before Runge gave him the heave-ho.

I saw no agressive bump or contact initiated by Runge, and I looked hard to find it. Fans see what they want to see, and judge situations by their emotions, and NOT by the facts.

The real culprit here was Jerry Manuel for leaving the bench. Beltran was going to get to say his peace and get back in the box, which is more rope than I would give him. Runge was trying to be civil with him, even though he kept running his mouth. Beltran got run for continuing arguing in Runge's face after the Manuel ejection. It wasn't really about balls and strikes at this point, it was about stupid ballplayers thinking that the can just do whatever they want to the umpires without penalty.

I was listening to the radio when this happened. The announcers, Mariners employees, talked as if it were Manuel who initiated the bump.

Interesting that many think now it was Runge who initiated it. Maybe Mets fans?

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