body position for Position B and C

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Correct.

Well, we'll just agree to disagree.

If you're so insecure in your abilities as an umpire that you have to peak at R1 or R2, you have more serious issues.

JMHO

[Rich]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Well, we'll just agree to disagree.

If you're so insecure in your abilities as an umpire that you have to peak at R1 or R2, you have more serious issues.

JMHO

It's how the pro schools teach it. I've always taken a quick glance over the right shoulder with R2. Has nothing to do with my abilities as an umpire.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Well, we'll just agree to disagree.

If you're so insecure in your abilities as an umpire that you have to peak at R1 or R2, you have more serious issues.

JMHO

I peak (Well, supposed to anyway. Nobody's perfect. ) Usually someone yells runner's going or you can hear him.

JEAPU - PBUC sez peek, ya peek (at R2). I paid $4000 for that tidbit, I'm gonna get my money's worth.

I never understood why guys couldn't just step and turn toward first to see the throw, or the need to show your profile to home plate.

I don't agree to disagree. You're wrong. You can disagree if you want, but you're still wrong. That's what people say without admitting they're wrong.

As Rut says, "Peace"

[etn_ump]

Helluva tidbit for $4000.

I ain't wrong. Been doing this for 30 years, Summer World Series finals, HS State tournaments, some D2 as I've gotten older, etc.

Just because you paid some guys that work one base to tell you how to umpire don't necessarily mean they're right.

Have great games.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Helluva tidbit for $4000.

I ain't wrong. Been doing this for 30 years, Summer World Series finals, HS State tournaments, some D2 as I've gotten older, etc.

Just because you paid some guys that work one base to tell you how to umpire don't necessarily mean they're right.

Have great games.

So why don't you enlighten all of us that work "incorrectly" (in your humble opinion), how do you do it? Please, enlighten a fellow 30 year veteran!

[etn_ump]

Pay attention Ozzy, I already did. Here, I'll copy and paste it for you.

That's why I'm not turning my head to glance at a runner I can hear if he advances. I see no reason to glance and I am seldom caught off guard.

I understand and have read the PBUC Red Book mechanics regarding glancing. I do not glance. When I am in B or C, I am closer to everyone on the field to the ball with the exception of the pitcher. I have ears. I have no reason to glance at a runner I can hear.

At my age, I am going to watch the ball. Absolutely nothing is going to happen that requires my attention without the ball.

Also, I didn't say in any of my posts that anyone was working "incorrectly", I said, don't do it (peeking) and reasons why I don't.

Pay attention.

[chuckfan1]

Yeeeshhh....This has taken up multiple pages? There might be a recommended method, but like many issues in officiating, whatever works for you. If one prefers to take a quick glance at R2, so? Hopefully theyve arrived at that choice through trial and error, and find that works best for them. Or not. Doesnt make someone better than someone else, just as the ridiculous argument of using an indicator or not, makes someone better.

Slight tip that I use with R2. And it helps, me anyways. With R2, I will turn to take a look. But, instead of trying to get R2 in my sight, I turn my head slightly to the right, and pick up the area R2 would be running into, if he were going. If R2 "comes into frame", I start towards my spot for the steal of 3rd. I get that extra step, and am always set, waiting for the play. Huge difference.

If he doesnt, I stay put. If he is going "late", I move when I recognize the steal. Usually on this, R2 is toast. Ive done it enough where I got the timing down. Hey, theres that "timing" thingy...

Just my observation..works for me....your mileage may vary.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

Yeeeshhh....This has taken up multiple pages? There might be a recommended method, but like many issues in officiating, whatever works for you. If one prefers to take a quick glance at R2, so? Hopefully theyve arrived at that choice through trial and error, and find that works best for them. Or not. Doesnt make someone better than someone else, just as the ridiculous argument of using an indicator or not, makes someone better.

Just my observation..works for me....your mileage may vary.

Discussion will change to check swing appeals while in B or C. You'll need a sundial to track opinions.

I face F1 standing heel to toe. I'm too fat, too old and too slow to stand around w/my hands on my knees. I stand tall and set like a R or F3 w/my lower arms angled downward.

Two-steps on a pickoff, short left first and then large right/turn into 1B. I'm calling safe unless I was sure of an out at 1B. I bite my lip at the acting job by F1/F3 and their teammates.

Short rocker left-step on a pitch home, ready to move into the working area if the ball is put in play. I either reset if its not in play or move toward 1B for the throw across the IF; stopping as soon as F raises his glove to squeeze the catch. I should be still by the time I hear the mitt pop while trying to focus on the BR's front foot.

Young PU has the 2nd call at 3B or 2nd call at 1B across IF cause I don't like them sittin' back there watching the game. I want them anticipating situations or reading players. Older gentlemen get more latitude.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Also, I didn't say in any of my posts that anyone was working "incorrectly", I said, don't do it (peeking) and reasons why I don't.

Pay attention.

Then I'm wondering what this was supposed to mean.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

If you're so insecure in your abilities as an umpire that you have to peak at R1 or R2, you have more serious issues.

Tim.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Helluva tidbit for $4000.

I ain't wrong. Been doing this for 30 years, Summer World Series finals, HS State tournaments, some D2 as I've gotten older, etc.

Just because you paid some guys that work one base to tell you how to umpire don't necessarily mean they're right.

Have great games.

Well lets see, last time I checked Jim Evans worked more than one base, and it would be my guess just a game or two more than you. Oh and lets not forget a couple World Series, an ALCS or two. Oh yearh and them there All Star games, yeah I paid the guy, damn proud of it also. He says your wrong, PBUC says your wrong, but thats OK.. IMHO

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Well lets see, last time I checked Jim Evans worked more than one base, and it would be my guess just a game or two more than you. Oh and lets not forget a couple World Series, an ALCS or two. Oh yearh and them there All Star games, yeah I paid the guy, damn proud of it also. He says your wrong, PBUC says your wrong, but thats OK.. IMHO

I paid him too, and I'll gladly do it again. I remember Jim describing it as 1 year of experience 30 times.

BTW, NOT taking a peek at R2 will get you dinged on your NCAA eval.

[SanDiegoSteve]

The peekers are right. The non-peekers are wrong. I think everyone is being a peeker head about the whole thing.

[SanDiegoSteve]

The proper way to stand in B and C is facing the plate w/shoulders perpendicular to the plate. Just draw that line from the plate through right around the edge area of the mound, depending on the mound circumference and straddle it facing the plate. Then turn your head to watch the pitcher. It's just that easy. None of this "squared up with the foul line" nonsense. You should be ready to make an athletic movement in either direction when the ball is hit, and that's awfully hard to do if your body is misaligned.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

The peekers are right. The non-peekers are wrong. I think everyone is being a peeker head about the whole thing.

At what point in the pitchers peek do I take the time to pick a peek at the baserunner before I return my peekers to the plate?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Helluva tidbit for $4000.

I ain't wrong. Been doing this for 30 years, Summer World Series finals, HS State tournaments, some D2 as I've gotten older, etc.

Just because you paid some guys that work one base to tell you how to umpire don't necessarily mean they're right.

Have great games.

I know some guys who've worked the HS state tournament in TN. Wouldn't hire them to work LL. Just sayin'.