Disaster...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Ok, I can admit it when someone gets me totally confused.

The coach that came out was the offensive coach wanting to know why the umpire had called his runner out when the ball appeared to have been dropped.

Can't see what makes that "ratish." Just an arguement.

Then he convinced U1 to go to the PU who obviously saw what appeared to be a bobble.

Then U1 changed his call to safe.

Then Hobson, the defensive coach came out on the reversal.

Under "old hide" mechanics U1 would have stayed with his call . . . under "new world" mechanics he reversed an OUT CALL. Remember we only call outs when we actually see them.

You just have me confused.

Regards,

I think our boy from up north doesn't understand why Hobson blew a gasket when it was obvious to everyone except U1 that the BR was safe. And frankly, neither do I.

[LakeErieUmp]

I'd like to have that announcer moved up to MLB games - I can't imagine any of the CURRENT crew acknowleding that PU has the best angle on that particular play.

[Tim C]

"I think our boy from up north doesn't understand why Hobson blew a gasket when it was obvious to everyone except U1 that the BR was safe. And frankly, neither do I."

Rich, what I was trying to elude to with the "old hide" reference was really about the concept of changing an "out" to a "safe".

Hobson is an old hide. Trust me his argument was not about whether the batter runner was safe or out. His argument (and subsequent ejection) was probably based on what he felt was an incompetent job of umpiring by U1.

Again, this appears to be a Cape Cod League game and Hobson is the only person in view that had MLB expereince and was "older". I am sure Hobson has never been a fan of the "new and improved" system of doing everything to "get the call right."

Just this year I have been convinced to teach that even a call of "out" can be reversed if the calling umpire goes for help.

Again, I may be reading this wrong but coaches seledom worry if a runner was actually safe (or out).

[ozzy6900]

I could swear that this hapened last year! Unless I am a time traveler, I saw this over the winter at one of our meetings! Butch Hobson managed a CanAm team called The Nashua Pride out of NH. They are not afiliated with The Cape Cod League as this league is only for invitational NCAA players. I believe Hobson is now with the Southern Maryland Blue Crabs.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I could swear that this hapened last year! Unless I am a time traveler, I saw this over the winter at one of our meetings! Butch Hobson managed a CanAm team called The Nashua Pride out of NH. They are not afiliated with The Cape Cod League as this league is only for invitational NCAA players. I believe Hobson is now with the Southern Maryland Blue Crabs.

Hopbson is with them. Andy Etchebarren is their Hitting Coach. Below is an excerpt from their website:

BUTCH HOBSON, MANAGER
After an extensive search, Southern Maryland Blue Crabs owner Brooks Robinson announced on November 19, 2007 that former Boston Red Sox Manager and third baseman Butch Hobson would be the first-ever Manager and Director of Baseball Operations for the Blue Crabs.

[tiger49]

The CanAm league is Indy Pro ball. They use two school guys and one local umpire. I am gathering that U3 was probably the local guy.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tiger49

The CanAm league is Indy Pro ball. They use two school guys and one local umpire. I am gathering that U3 was probably the local guy.

Why? Listen, a lot of recent grads are a green as they come. Local guys with college experience have seen a lot more than a first or second year right out of school

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Rich, what I was trying to elude to with the "old hide" reference was really about the concept of changing an "out" to a "safe".

Hobson is an old hide. Trust me his argument was not about whether the batter runner was safe or out. His argument (and subsequent ejection) was probably based on what he felt was an incompetent job of umpiring by U1.

Again, this appears to be a Cape Cod League game and Hobson is the only person in view that had MLB expereince and was "older". I am sure Hobson has never been a fan of the "new and improved" system of doing everything to "get the call right."

Just this year I have been convinced to teach that even a call of "out" can be reversed if the calling umpire goes for help.

Again, I may be reading this wrong but coaches seledom worry if a runner was actually safe (or out).

It's bad umpiring. But I will never understand a coach wanting to go to these lengths on a play he knows the umpires got right. And a coach doing this is simply going to get ejected a lot quicker at the levels I work.

[David B]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's bad umpiring. But I will never understand a coach wanting to go to these lengths on a play he knows the umpires got right. And a coach doing this is simply going to get ejected a lot quicker at the levels I work.

I was also wondering the same. Either the coach had a beef about something else or he and the umpire at first have a "history" and this just was overflow.

Surely, U1 should have seen the bobble, don't know what he was watching, but for the coach to go so overboard with this one umpire - something is unusual.

Notice, he said nothing to the PU who actually made the call on the overturn.


Thanks
David

[aceholleran]

As a New Englander, it was nice to hear the announcer (bad as he was) say, "The bawl's hit to shawtstup."

Ace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

As a New Englander, it was nice to hear the announcer (bad as he was) say, "The bawl's hit to shawtstup."

Ace

And I love hearing an official being called an "umpiah."


Tim.

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by David B

Surely, U1 should have seen the bobble, don't know what he was watching, but for the coach to go so overboard with this one umpire - something is unusual.

It's possible that U2s perspective was a bobble on the exchange.
Maybe F3s habit is to flip the ball from his glove after the out and U2 saw it that way.

[TussAgee11]

The real problem is U3 putting his foot on that base.

U1 made a gross miss, but fixed it. Manager blew up, it happens.

But why would U3 step on that base and not let the manager get to it. If anything, let him cause a good ruckus... his suspension will be longer and he'll look like more of an idiot... hence legitimizing the EJ to begin with.