Switch-Hitter vs Switch-Pitcher

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Do you think they got it wrong?

It's short-season Penn League. These PBUC-baby umpires were so fresh you could smell the baby powder on their butts. [Not for long, I'm sure.]

[cshs81]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In OBR each can switch once.


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I was looking at the rulebook and can't find the above. Can you point me in the right direction?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by cshs81

I was looking at the rulebook and can't find the above. Can you point me in the right direction?

PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15

[jwwashburn]

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806202968278

[SAump]

This ambidextrous sitch no longer falls in the category of TWP discussion.
Was this 1 of about 234 original OBR rulebook errors that may be corrected anytime soon?

[TussAgee11]

Check out the pitcher after the batter switches for the 1st time. He turns behind him and sticks up a finger towards somebody, almost indicating "he can only switch once right?"

Seems like he knew what was up and the umpires didn't, but eventually got it right.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Check out the pitcher after the batter switches for the 1st time. He turns behind him and sticks up a finger towards somebody, almost indicating "he can only switch once right?"

Seems like he knew what was up and the umpires didn't, but eventually got it right.

According to a local AA umpire, the umpires knew that rule. The debate was over what constituted the beginning of the "at-bat"...who had to be in position first, from which point the counting of switches would begin. Since pitchers are often don't take the until the batter enters the box, they went with the batter committing first, the opposite of the FED requirement.

According to the national press, PBUC and MLB are working on a unified clarification.

[cshs81]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15

Who has to commit first?

[justanotherblue]

Rich is correct, the PBUC manual covers the ambidextrous pitcher. Each may change once. Remember this is for an amdidextrous pitcher only. A batter facing a right or left hand pitcher (non-ambidedtrous) can take a pitch from one side of the plate, switch, and switch again for the last strike before he's K'd. As long as he doesn't disconcert the pitcher.

[SAump]

cshs81
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives
PBUC Manual (2004) Section 6.15
Who has to commit first?

The pitcher. Teams declare all pitchers on a team roster as either a RHP or LHP before the season starts.
The pitcher. Manager declares their choice of pitcher on a line-up card from team roster before the game starts.
The pitcher. Ambi-pitcher declares himself as either a RHP or LHP during warm-up pitches before the inning starts.
Now I see this question has already been answered by Mr. Ives {post#7}

Ambidextrous pitcher vs hitter has been a topic on this website. Perhaps our elder spokesmen will answer that question, or perhaps share some ideas as to why it may have never "appeared" in OBR after so much FED/NCAA discussion on the topic.

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

According to a local AA umpire, the umpires knew that rule. The debate was over what constituted the beginning of the "at-bat"...who had to be in position first, from which point the counting of switches would begin. Since pitchers are often don't take the until the batter enters the box, they went with the batter committing first, the opposite of the FED requirement.

According to the national press, PBUC and MLB are working on a unified clarification.

Why did the MiLB umpires contradict previous FED/NCAA rulings? Very few of us have worked a game w/ an ambidextrous pitcher. Admitting a mistake was made by understanding "who must switch first" controls the pace of the game. I look forward to PBUC and MLB working on a unified clarification.

[mbyron]

If I were rewriting the interp, it would go like this:

1. The batter must step into the box first (consistent with existing rule).
2. The pitcher must then take the mound as either LH or RH.
3. The batter may then request time and switch to the other batter's box.
4. Neither may switch again during the at bat.

I think this procedure (a) moves the game along (b) allows the pitcher to choose how he will face a switch hitter (c) gives the offense the last choice, consistent a switch hitter's usual advantage.

[w_sohl]

he already has the advantage

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

he already has the advantage

The pitcher is throwing a $5 baseball, the batter is swinging a $350 bat. Who has the advantage?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by BigTex

The pitcher is throwing a $5 baseball, the batter is swinging a $350 bat. Who has the advantage?

The Ash and Maple logging company.................

Tim.

[MrUmpire]

The first 2 minutes of this occurred during a live ball.

At 2:11 of this full length version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPbJV2dffI the pitcher steps off the rubber foward towards the plate. A few seconds later the PU finally calls time.

Remember, there was a runner at first.

Where's the balk call?