nobody called timeout!!!

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

2007-08 Umpire Manual. Page 19, #26 refers to the time when the umpire cleans the plate as "stopping play". A synonym of that phrase would be "suspending play".

Rule 2-1f. Time shall be called by the umpire and play is suspended when...the umpire suspends play for any other cause, including an award of a base after an infraction, or for inspection of the ball.

For any other cause includes cleaning the plate.

In full agreement when time is properly called and play is suspended.

Do you suspend play to whisk off the plate, and allow the R(s) to visit BC, and then wait for them to return to their bases?

Do you suspend play to grab more baseballs from the batboy, and allow the R(s) to visit BC, and then wait for them to return to their bases?

Do you allow the offense w/ a "free pass" to visit whenever play is suspended for any other valid reason, under FED 5-1-1 and FED 5-2-1.

Do I have a protest situation if I allow a free visit and not charge either team with a conference?

OC now want to protest. You sent his runner back during live play. Is this a judgment call?


Coaches don't call time out.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by SAump

In full agreement when time is properly called and play is suspended.

Do you suspend play to whisk off the plate, and allow the R(s) to visit BC, and then wait for them to return to their bases?

Do you suspend play to grab more baseballs from the batboy, and allow the R(s) to visit BC, and then wait for them to return to their bases?

Do you allow the offense w/ a "free pass" to visit whenever play is suspended for any other valid reason, under FED 5-1-1 and FED 5-2-1.

Do I have a protest situation if I allow a free visit and not charge either team with a conference?

OC now want to protest. You sent his runner back during live play. Is this a judgment call?


Coaches don't call time out.

The answer to all your questions is No. I would not allow the base runner to vacate his base to go talk to a coach. I would not allow a couch to vacate dugout to talk to his defense. The only time these acts may accur is during a charged conference (3-4).

Conferences are not allowed when ball is dead per 5-1-1, 5-1-2, or 5-1-3.
Conferences are not allowed when time is called per 5-2-1a-d,f. (I purposely omitted "e" for a reason).

5-1-2e states that "time" is called... when a player or coach requests "Time"and is granted by an umpire for a substitution, conference with the pitcher or for a similar cause.

Confences are not allowed if time is for the substitution. Conferences are only allowed when time is granted for that specific purpose.

Rule 3-4 addresses charges conferences. 3-4-1 reiterated what is said in 5-2-1e. First, time must be requested for a conference but allows a substitute or other attendant to make the request in addition to coach or player.

3-4-5 allows the other team to have a conference also (not charged) but they must be ready when the requesting teams' conference ends.

Coaches do not call time out? Agreed. They may only request time out. Umpires grant time.

[kylejt]

No need for a rule citation, let's just use common sense.

From my rookie year. R3, and I go to scrap off the plate. With my back dutifully turned to the pitcher I bend down and get an @ss full of baseball and R3 sliding right in front of my face.

Calmly call time boys. It takes a whole seven seconds to take care of business. Just get your partners attention (and the pitcher), and get on with it. Not a big deal here fellows.

[Rita C]

I had the plate tonight and thought about this post.

Come on guys. I have the runner slide in. I take my brush out as I wait for things to calm down. I move into position with my brush out and my hand up for time. I bend over, quickly use a few strokes to clean the plate. I move back into position, point and we're going again.

Takes no more time than if I didn't call time. I mean, really. Sheesh.

I choose to do it. I don't plan to go pro. It saves me potential grief. I'm good with it.

Rita

[DG]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Calmly call time boys. It takes a whole seven seconds to take care of business. Just get your partners attention (and the pitcher), and get on with it. Not a big deal here fellows.

The time "wasted", according to some, is the time to put the ball in play, which would be less than the time to dust off the plate, which if needs it needs doing anyway.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

2007-08 Umpire Manual. Page 19, #26 refers to the time when the umpire cleans the plate as "stopping play". A synonym of that phrase would be "suspending play".

Rule 2-1f. Time shall be called by the umpire and play is suspended when...the umpire suspends play for any other cause, including an award of a base after an infraction, or for inspection of the ball.

For any other cause includes cleaning the plate.

And the rule is clear...time shall be called. It is not an option

This is not clear, Daryl. I am not suspending play. I am merely clearing the plate.

Before you come back with something like "would you let the pitcher pitch," let me say that the answer is no, just like when I'm clearing a bat or waiting for a batter to get set in the box. Good umpires don't hold their hands up and suspend play while a batter is digging in. Why is this different?

For any other cause could include 200 other things that I want to make up, too. It's a catch all that provides support for the umpire to call time IF HE WANTS TO. It certainly doesn't say that it's required to do it if play isn't suspended. Cause a 2 second sweep of the plate is not suspending play, not in my world.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

This is not clear, Daryl. I am not suspending play. I am merely clearing the plate.

Before you come back with something like "would you let the pitcher pitch," let me say that the answer is no, just like when I'm clearing a bat or waiting for a batter to get set in the box. Good umpires don't hold their hands up and suspend play while a batter is digging in. Why is this different?

For any other cause could include 200 other things that I want to make up, too. It's a catch all that provides support for the umpire to call time IF HE WANTS TO. It certainly doesn't say that it's required to do it if play isn't suspended. Cause a 2 second sweep of the plate is not suspending play, not in my world.

Cleaning the plate is most definitely a suspension of play, because the defensive team cannot pitch the ball.

MTD, Sr.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

This is not clear, Daryl. I am not suspending play. I am merely clearing the plate.

Before you come back with something like "would you let the pitcher pitch," let me say that the answer is no, just like when I'm clearing a bat or waiting for a batter to get set in the box. Good umpires don't hold their hands up and suspend play while a batter is digging in. Why is this different?

For any other cause could include 200 other things that I want to make up, too. It's a catch all that provides support for the umpire to call time IF HE WANTS TO. It certainly doesn't say that it's required to do it if play isn't suspended. Cause a 2 second sweep of the plate is not suspending play, not in my world.

Finally, someone has responded to my rule citations. I agree it is a catch all phrase which leaves it open to abuse. I respect your decision to not include sweeping the plate. Respect because we are both making a decision by considering a rule and either accepting or rejecting certain optional parameters to come to our decision.

I cited instructions from 2008 NF Umpire Manual pg 19 #26 entitled "Keep the plate clean". The wording involved says to minimalize when you clean the plate to keep the game moving and I believe we both agree to that. I think we can both agree also that a bigger abuse would be an umpire who calls time 50 times a game to sweep the plate.

While I do call time to sweep the plate I can assure you that in 27 years of umpiring I only do so maybe 3 times a game and always only when th plate has become completely covered or near so. Sometimes I just use my foot to quickly dust the plate as I walk by it (whch is becoming an accepted practice). I do not call time to do that nor do I turn my bck to players. The rest of the time I use the natural dead ball times to clean the plate.

I agree with you in the other situations you described above that time should not be called. But in those situations I can do my job and not turn my back on a live ball. The proper mechanics stated by umpire manual to clean the plate does make me turn my back to players and therefore I briefly declare ball dead.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

2007-08 Umpire Manual. Page 19, #26 refers to the time when the umpire cleans the plate as "stopping play". A synonym of that phrase would be "suspending play".

Rule 2-1f. Time shall be called by the umpire and play is suspended when...the umpire suspends play for any other cause, including an award of a base after an infraction, or for inspection of the ball.

For any other cause includes cleaning the plate.

And the rule is clear...time shall be called. It is not an option

the rule is clear? ridiculous. the catch all thing has already been covered. using your "the rule is clear" logic, read 5.10e. "the umpire shall call time when..." it doesn't list cleaning the plate as one of those times. that's a lot more clear than your third world interpretation of your previously stated rule citation.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

the rule is clear? ridiculous. the catch all thing has already been covered. using your "the rule is clear" logic, read 5.10e. "the umpire shall call time when..." it doesn't list cleaning the plate as one of those times. that's a lot more clear than your third world interpretation of your previously stated rule citation.

5.10e???? Does not exist in NF or NCAA.

Is this Bobby talking or the duck?

[jicecone]

Why would you put the officiating crew in a predicament that is just aiming for trouble? Is not the PU the UIC for that game? No way am I not calling time to dust off the plate. Preventive umpiring 101.

When I coached, we would instruct our players that if you are on third and did not hear "time" when the PU dusted the plate, take off. You would be surprised how many different officials didn't understand what was going on and how many times we scored because the officials didn't control the game.

Take control of your game and prevent this before it happens. If your ego prevents you from doing this because you believe its your partners job, then remember when he looks bad and blows it, you both look bad.

I'm being pro-active and preventing it. "TIME"

[SAump]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Why would you put the officiating crew in a predicament that is just aiming for trouble? Is not the PU the UIC for that game? No way am I not calling time to dust off the plate. Preventive umpiring 101.

When I coached, we would instruct our players that if you are on third and did not hear "time" when the PU dusted the plate, take off. You would be surprised how many different officials didn't understand what was going on and how many times we scored because the officials didn't control the game.

Take control of your game and prevent this before it happens. If your ego prevents you from doing this because you believe its your partners job, then remember when he looks bad and blows it, you both look bad.

I'm being pro-active and preventing it. "TIME"

Who has the ball? The defense.
Did the offense actually request time to talk to the runner? No.
Would the OC scream the same comment if a tag were applied to his runner for coming over to talk?
I can hear it now, "I wanted to talk to the runner while the PU was whisking the plate."
What would you instruct a fielder to do when a runner ventured too far from the base?
Perhaps the defense should have been watching the runner too.
Never once discouraged a pitcher/fielder initiated pickoff move.
But then a team can always find ways to blame the PU.
Come-on blue!

[bluezebra]

In EVERY baseball and softball association I belonged to, we considered brushing the plate to be an IMPLIED TIME OUT. Even if it wasn't verbalized.

Bob

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

In EVERY baseball and softball association I belonged to, we considered brushing the plate to be an IMPLIED TIME OUT. Even if it wasn't verbalized.

Bob

you just lost a protest.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by jicecone

When I coached, we would instruct our players that if you are on third and did not hear "time" when the PU dusted the plate, take off. You would be surprised how many different officials didn't understand what was going on and how many times we scored because the officials didn't control the game.

Take control of your game and prevent this before it happens. If your ego prevents you from doing this because you believe its your partners job, then remember when he looks bad and blows it, you both look bad.

I'm being pro-active and preventing it. "TIME"

Ha ha, officials need to control the game by calling time to prevent runners from advancing....So the guys you work with are terrible and don't know what they are doing, so instead of trying to help them out and teaching them that the ball is not dead just because they turned their back for 3 seconds you just call time.

Ok so R1 and R3, partner turns and dusts the plate and R3 runs and scores, and I as the BU look bad? So instead of the defense looing bad for not paying attention to a guy trying to score, it is the officials fault because they did not call time. That makes no sense at all.

So you guys who insist on calling time when the plate is cleaned, do you also call time when the PU has to return to the plate area after having moved somewhere during a play? In both situations the PU's back is turned away from everyone for a couple of seconds. What is the difference?