nobody called timeout!!!

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by LDUB

...do you also call time when the PU has to return to the plate area after having moved somewhere during a play?... the PU's back is turned away from everyone for a couple of seconds. What is the difference?

That's not how you do it in pro school.

Originally Posted by LDUB

So you guys who insist on calling time when the plate is cleaned, do you also call time when the PU has to return to the plate area after having moved somewhere during a play? In both situations the PU's back is turned away from everyone for a couple of seconds. What is the difference?

This is one of those big "giveaways" that a guy is new and inexperienced.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rei

This is one of those big "giveaways" that a guy is new and inexperienced.

I'll only do this if I have a courtesy runner ready to come out or I have to change baseballs or something -- in other words, if I'll have to call time anyway once I get to the plate, I may as well do it and not have to concern myself with any runners on the trip.

[papablue]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

If I see my partner going to dust off the plate, I am going to make sure that nothing, NOTHING happens on the bases! Where the hell was this guy's partner? Then to allow the play to stand? Yeah, just a couple of Smitties here!

Bullseye. If I see that my partner has not called time before dusting off the plate, I will right away.


John

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by MRD

Federation. Runners on 2nd and 1st. Two man crew. Plate ump takes his mask off , turns hus rump to the pitcher and proceeds to whisk off the plate. Runner on 2nd calmly strolls over to 3rd base as iff to talk to the coach. When he gets there he stays on the bag. Defensive coach screems that he has to go back to 2nd because plate ump had his back turned so time was automatically out. Umps allow runner to remain. what do you think?

I have been following this thread since last night. AND the bottom line is that if the PU is going to turn his back to the field to clean the plate he had better call timeout and if he does not call timeout, timeout is implied. While the offense made a good effort to gain a base, BUT the PU had stopped the game to clean home plate and that means the ball is dead.

With all due respect to the people that have taken the postion that the PU should not make the ball dead when turning his back to the playing field to clean home plate: I cannot understand how any umpire would allow the ball to remain live in this situation. To do so is utter nonsense.

MTD, Sr.

[sri8527]

well here goes, i am a pointer, on my strike call i point, i would also look too the right as i pointed. i was told i should stop because i could miss something as i was looking at my finger, made sense too me so i have made every effort to stop. now some of you think i can turn my back to the play? not a chance, i call time, get it done, put on my mask, call play.

steve

[jicecone]

Lets stop with the school crap here.

I am a graduate civil engineer and it doesn't mean I know everything about engineering, and please, lets not try applying what happens in minor and pro ball to amateur ball. It not same.

Its obvious, that the common sense things of amateur baseball certainly were not covered at school, nor should it be. But it is certainly lacking here.

But then again, who the hell am I to try teach that stuff, I DIDN'T GO TO UMPIRING SCHOOL.

Handle your games as you see fit.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have been following this thread since last night. AND the bottom line is that if the PU is going to turn his back to the field to clean the plate he had better call timeout and if he does not call timeout, timeout is implied. While the offense made a good effort to gain a base, BUT the PU had stopped the game to clean home plate and that means the ball is dead.

With all due respect to the people that have taken the postion that the PU should not make the ball dead when turning his back to the playing field to clean home plate: I cannot understand how any umpire would allow the ball to remain live in this situation. To do so is utter nonsense.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, I would respectfully disagree. On what basis do you say that " if he does not call timeout, timeout is implied" ? I have never seen this in any manual. I do not understand why you think to leave the ball live in this instance is nonsense. As long as I am working with a partner, and I do not work solo, I see no reason to kill the ball for a few seconds of dusting the plate. The base umpire can easily watch the ball, and make a call if a play is made. Besides, why deny the defense any opportunity to make an out ?
If the plate is heavily covered, or at times with a runner at third, I will call time, while making eye contact with my partner. If I'm not calling time, I will still make eye contact, while removing my brush, so that he knows where I'm headed. It's over quickly, and we move on.
I'm not trying to be combative, just trying to understand where you are coming from on this issue.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by MRD

Federation. Runners on 2nd and 1st. Two man crew. Plate ump takes his mask off , turns hus rump to the pitcher and proceeds to whisk off the plate. Runner on 2nd calmly strolls over to 3rd base as iff to talk to the coach.

When there is 2 of us no need to call timeout. I trust my partner.

Now if we have R3 that's a different story.

In the OP what is the defense doing?

If they allow R2 to simply stroll on over to 3rd base (without hearing the call of Time or an umpire giving a signal of Time) that's their fault.

Also, as Bobby says cleaning the plate takes all of what 2-3 seconds.

This falls under the category to each his own. My partner is taking care of action on the bases for the 2-3 seconds I have my back turned.

Pete Booth

[greymule]

On what basis do you say that " if he does not call timeout, timeout is implied" ? I have never seen this in any manual.

I haven't seen it in a baseball book, but ASA softball 10-4-B:

"The plate umpire will call time when they leave [sic] the umpires [sic] position to brush the plate or to perform other duties not directly connected with the calling of plays."

As I remember, there's a case play or test question in which the PU steps to the side to show and state the count, and the runner on 1B breaks for 2B. The ruling is that the umpire's leaving his regular position to perform duties created a time out, and the runner has to go back.

In baseball, I think that the calling of time out to perform duties may be a habit that stems from doing a lot of one-man games. For example, many of the rec games around here are one-man, and if you don't have a BU to watch things, you tend to protect yourself with time outs. These habits can carry over unnecessarily when there's a partner.

I know that this has been true in college softball, where the experienced umps often remind their partners (many of whom also do one-man rec games) not to call time out unnecessarily. I was doing it, too. A few years ago, my partner asked me between innings, "You do a lot of one-man games, don't you?" When I said that I did, he said, "Don't call time out every time you turn your back. I'll cover the runners. At this level, they know the rules."