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i've said this before (though i don't remember if it was this site or one of the other ones) that you guys have a tremendous resource in former pro guys and former pro school instructors on here. there's always talk on here of being as professional as you can be when doing your job, so why not use this resource and strive to do things as they are taught at the schools? granted, there are some parts of the pro game that do not fit into amateur ball, but there are many, many things that do. these are simple things that we call "polish" when instructing and are universal to umpiring. this "situation" is one of them.
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Gotta go with Bobby here. It's not a big deal, you see the plate needs to be attended after the play, pull out your brush, step up and quickly brush it off. Why call time? If there is action on the field, you're no doubt trying to brush it off to soon. Action stops, brush it off, get back behind the catcher, if you're doing it right, you will most likely be waiting for the catcher without calling time. JMHO.
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Ok so R1 and R3, partner turns and dusts the plate and R3 runs and scores, and I as the BU look bad? So instead of the defense looing bad for not paying attention to a guy trying to score, it is the officials fault because they did not call time. That makes no sense at all. So you guys who insist on calling time when the plate is cleaned, do you also call time when the PU has to return to the plate area after having moved somewhere during a play? In both situations the PU's back is turned away from everyone for a couple of seconds. What is the difference? |
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There are obvious regional differences here, because this is standard around here to call time with runners on to dust the plate. That stops all the weird sh*t from happening, such as in this case posed. Last edited by DG; Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:32pm. |
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I can tell you at school, they teach NOT to call time for every little thing and or request. When the action is stoped, brush it off, quickly and efficently, you must enjoy those 3+ hour games for seven innings huh!
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I have been following this thread since last night. AND the bottom line is that if the PU is going to turn his back to the field to clean the plate he had better call timeout and if he does not call timeout, timeout is implied. While the offense made a good effort to gain a base, BUT the PU had stopped the game to clean home plate and that means the ball is dead. With all due respect to the people that have taken the postion that the PU should not make the ball dead when turning his back to the playing field to clean home plate: I cannot understand how any umpire would allow the ball to remain live in this situation. To do so is utter nonsense. MTD, Sr.
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well here goes, i am a pointer, on my strike call i point, i would also look too the right as i pointed. i was told i should stop because i could miss something as i was looking at my finger, made sense too me so i have made every effort to stop. now some of you think i can turn my back to the play? not a chance, i call time, get it done, put on my mask, call play.
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If the plate is heavily covered, or at times with a runner at third, I will call time, while making eye contact with my partner. If I'm not calling time, I will still make eye contact, while removing my brush, so that he knows where I'm headed. It's over quickly, and we move on. I'm not trying to be combative, just trying to understand where you are coming from on this issue.
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Lets stop with the school crap here.
I am a graduate civil engineer and it doesn't mean I know everything about engineering, and please, lets not try applying what happens in minor and pro ball to amateur ball. It not same. Its obvious, that the common sense things of amateur baseball certainly were not covered at school, nor should it be. But it is certainly lacking here. But then again, who the hell am I to try teach that stuff, I DIDN'T GO TO UMPIRING SCHOOL. Handle your games as you see fit. |
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Now if we have R3 that's a different story. In the OP what is the defense doing? If they allow R2 to simply stroll on over to 3rd base (without hearing the call of Time or an umpire giving a signal of Time) that's their fault. Also, as Bobby says cleaning the plate takes all of what 2-3 seconds. This falls under the category to each his own. My partner is taking care of action on the bases for the 2-3 seconds I have my back turned. Pete Booth
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Rule 5-2-1f. Time shall be called by the umpire and play is suspended when...the umpire suspends play for any other cause, including an award of a base after an infraction, or for inspection of the ball. For any other cause includes cleaning the plate. And the rule is clear...time shall be called. It is not an option Last edited by Daryl H. Long; Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:29pm. |
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