Coach Fines in Ohio

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by mbyron

First of all, Ohio wants one consistent rule for the entire state and all sports, which is a good thing.

Second, the state's view seems to be that coach ejections are NOT part of the game, which should be "all about the kids." Coaches and officials have their roles and should remain in them. You might not like that view, but there it is.

Third, I think that there's some effort to bring baseball into the fold of the other sports. I wouldn't be surprised if baseball and basketball together accounted for 80% or more of the ejections in HS sports, and baseball more than half of those.

MByron:

I agree with your 99.99%, except that I would be dollars to donuts that soccer ejections are greater that basketball and baseball combined and could be more that all other sports combined. I remember a study that the OhioHSAA did about eight years ago. Soccer ejections in Ohio one Fall totaled twice as many as all other Fall sports combined. Fall sports in Ohio are: soccer (both boys' and girls'), girls' volleyball, football, cross-country (both boys' and girls'), golf (both boys' and girls'), and girls' field hockey.

The year after that study came out I red carded the Head Coach of a boys' jr. varsity team before the start of the game because he dropped a couple of F-bombs on me in front of his players because I told him that the shine guards ALL of his players wearing were not legal; they wouldn't have covered the shine of an 8U girls' team. The best part was that this coach was an OhioHSAA Class 1 soccer official who had gone deep in the OhioHSAA tournament in previous years and was the current president of our local H.S. soccer officials association. I stopped officiating soccer a couple of years later because of my knees and the fact that sports officials whose only sport is soccer are clueless when it comes to sports officiatin.

It just may be that H.S. soccer coaches are starting to get out-of-hand in Ohio again.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MByron:

I agree with your 99.99%, except that I would be dollars to donuts that soccer ejections are greater that basketball and baseball combined and could be more that all other sports combined. I remember a study that the OhioHSAA did about eight years ago. Soccer ejections in Ohio one Fall totaled twice as many as all other Fall sports combined. Fall sports in Ohio are: soccer (both boys' and girls'), girls' volleyball, football, cross-country (both boys' and girls'), golf (both boys' and girls'), and girls' field hockey.

The year after that study came out I red carded the Head Coach of a boys' jr. varsity team before the start of the game because he dropped a couple of F-bombs on me in front of his players because I told him that the shine guards ALL of his players wearing were not legal; they wouldn't have covered the shine of an 8U girls' team. The best part was that this coach was an OhioHSAA Class 1 soccer official who had gone deep in the OhioHSAA tournament in previous years and was the current president of our local H.S. soccer officials association. I stopped officiating soccer a couple of years later because of my knees and the fact that sports officials whose only sport is soccer are clueless when it comes to sports officiatin.

It just may be that H.S. soccer coaches are starting to get out-of-hand in Ohio again.

MTD, Sr.

Soccer is my other sport too.

We have seen a BIG reduction of red cards with the stiff fines/suspensions.

I agree (mostly) about soccer refs who only do soccer not having much of a clue, at least about some things. I have seen some of the worst sportsmanship displays on HS soccer fields, and officials who when I talked to them about it didn't have ANY problem with the display. But these same guys are concerned with the "red card issues" from violent play. LOL