3rd Strike In The Dirt

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT

In between innings, I went to discuss both scenarios with my partner and he agreed he blew the call on loudly insisting batter is out. No problem there, however, the defensive coach comes over and rants about blow call allowed run to score in a close game...

How, exactly, did he blow this call? While its good preventive umpiring to say "he's out" in this situation, it is incumbent upon the players to know the situation and the relevant rule. Don't confuse failing to use preventive umpiring and extending courtesies with blown calls, the two are different.

[NewUmpinCT]

Thanks TCar... Bad choice of wording (ducking that left hook), but in my teachings I was told to just let it be known by saying batter is out. Eliminates any doubt although I know the players and coaches need to know the rules also.

And yes it actually happened two batters in a row... Never can tell what you will see in HS ball...

But on the bases loaded scenario 2 outs, the catcher can't simply tag home can he?

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT

But on the bases loaded scenario 2 outs, the catcher can't simply tag home can he?

Yes.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT

But on the bases loaded scenario 2 outs, the catcher can't simply tag home can he?

Yes he can

We have bases loaded 2 outs and the batter became a runner on an uncaught third strike.

The runners by the fact that the batter became a runner are forced to advance, hence all F2 needs to do is touch home plate.

It's no different then if B1 hit the ball to F4 who simply stepped on second base to get the force out on R1.

Pete Booth

[NewUmpinCT]

Guys thanks for clearing that up in my mind. I didn't look at it that way and I didn't actually see it in the NFHS rule book (unless I missed it... Is it referenced there?)

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by NewUmpinCT

Guys thanks for clearing that up in my mind. I didn't look at it that way and I didn't actually see it in the NFHS rule book (unless I missed it... Is it referenced there?)

Hint: Look at all the conditions where a batter becomes a batter-runner.

Then, look at all the rules governing runners (and how they are put out).

Now, put the two together...

[PeteBooth]

Yes it's referenced in the FED rule book

FED rule 2.29.3 Definition of a Force

Pete Booth

[aceholleran]

If I see F2 about to make a play to 1B on a third strike where B1 does not become a runner. I verbalize once: "Batter's out." Once again, I do this only when B1 runs to first and F2 pops up likes he's gonna hurl the horsehide.

It's not to make myself feel better; it's to avert a fugly sitch where all heck breaks loose.

I don't feel this is aiding the defense.

Harrumph.