illegal Sub/CR

[ManInBlue]

Unless I'm mistaken, a CR is not a substitution. The "illegal sub" as you call it, is just fixed. Prevent it on the front end, but if you miss it and they appeal, get the right one out there. To the best of my knowledge there is no penalty for it as it's not a sub.

[umpduck11]

A player ineligible to be a CR is considered an illegal substitute, and shall be called out and restricted to the dugout. 3.1.1 Situation R

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

A player ineligible to be a CR is considered an illegal substitute, and shall be called out and restricted to the dugout. 3.1.1 Situation R

I stand corrected. I was thinking (specific) tournament rules, which are some what altered.

[edhern]

One answer was don't allow it as preventive umpiring, but it is an appeal. What is you are keeping a scorecard with a lineup and substitutions as I was in a Fed game. I didn't allow it when I noticed a substitute re-entering after being pinch run for, even though the coach was willing to take a chance on appeal that probably never would have happened. Was it my obligation to prevent it (which I did)?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by edhern

One answer was don't allow it as preventive umpiring, but it is an appeal. What is you are keeping a scorecard with a lineup and substitutions as I was in a Fed game. I didn't allow it when I noticed a substitute re-entering after being pinch run for, even though the coach was willing to take a chance on appeal that probably never would have happened. Was it my obligation to prevent it (which I did)?

Yes, imo. 10-1-1.

If the coach "insists" on it, then I'd allow it, and immediately declare the runner out. The illegal sub can be discovered by the umpire or either team. 3-1-1.

[DG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, imo. 10-1-1.

If the coach "insists" on it, then I'd allow it, and immediately declare the runner out. The illegal sub can be discovered by the umpire or either team. 3-1-1.

Good one. I think I would advise the coach what is about to happen.

[bossman72]

If you let the illegal sub go, then call him out, your convo will go something like this:

You: "CR is out for illegal substitution"
Coach: "What's he out for?"
You: "You illegally put him in the game"
Coach: "But I stood right in front of you and gave you the sub, and you ALLOWED it. How can it be illegal now?"
You: "Uhhhh..."