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Just my opinion (and others), but I believe you are wrong by allowing the player to return based on an AT's opinion. As I said, do as you wish, but you are asking to open a big can of worms. |
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Who are you to say that the player can't play if they exhibit signs of a concussion. We can only limit return to play in the event of an apparent LOC not a concussion. This discussion is very trying for me because I am both and umpire and an Athletic Trainer. The rule clearly states that in the event of apparent LOC then the player must have written permission/clearance from a MD. Let me tell you something, any ATC worth anything, and that has any clue, will not allow a player to RTP if there is any thought that there was LOC. Any time I have apparent LOC with my athletes, their in the ER asap. I think that umpires need to be aware of LOC. Reading this I'm not sure that you guys know the difference between a concussion and LOC. Dazed/Confused/Dizzy/Amnesia, all that from the list above does not equal a loss of consciousness. I think that, and the way that I would handle this situation if there is no ATC present, is after everything calms down, as the coach and I are discussing who the replacement is, I would tell the coach that in my opinion that player had a LOC and state why that is (unresponsive, blacked out, etc). If he asks me why I feel that way, then i explain my medical experience. I truely believe that if this happens, 1. the coach doesn't try to put the kid in, and 2. he won't have a problem with me saying hey I feel this way and this is what i observed. I don't think that he needs to be told that the player cannot return unless a doc's note is present, becasue he's going to seek one out maybe. Also, it needs to be noted on the line-up cards that there was LOC and why. And if the coaches have a problem, all you have to tell them is Tough crap, let move on |
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Eagle_12, the chart waltjp copied was provided by the "Department of Health and Human Services Centers for Disease Control and Prevention," or as you might say, DOHAHSCFDCAP, so if you have a problem with it, maybe you should take it out on them. But they probably don't know what they are talking about because they are not Athletic Trainers.
Their first recommendation in the Point of Emphasis was to "Remove athlete from play" if you SUSPECT, that a player has a concussion. Being, just a "dumb ole umpire" and not an expert Athletic Trainer and also following the rules, I will not let a player return without a physicians written authorization if they exhibit the Signs and Symptons suggest by the Department of Health. Finally, I really don't believe that you need to explain to a coach that because his player is "unresponsive or blacked out" that they had a loss of consciousness, and that you determined that because of your medical experience. DAH. But being just a dumb ole umpire, who am I to say. |
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different sport (Softball) FED rules...... Batter takes a pitch of the helmet..happens a lot..no big deal, right? well instead of going to first, she just stands there....shakes her head....and shakes it again.... I talk to her, and she doesnt respond... I tell her to look at me, and she finally looks in my direction and her eyes are unfocused.....I figured it was a concussion then, and NO WAY IN HELL was she going to continue that game. Report me, whatever. The trainer then comes up and tells me its her 3rd ONE SINCE THE start of the school year! 2 in BASKETBALL, and now this one. I told the trainer and head coach that tehre was no way she was continuing, and in my unexpert opinon, she shouldnt be playing any sports for a LONG time! (ever?) I wrote a letter to the state association..never heard anything back..my point is...Im going to err on the side of caution...fed game, concussion= trip to the doctor, and doctors note. Period. |
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There's no rule against that. But there is a rule about allowing an player rendered unconcious to return the game without written authorization from a physician. So, if the AT convinces me that the player was unconcious, the player will need that note to get back in the game. And if I am to err, I will err toward the side of caution. If the trainer is adamant that the player was knocked out, the kid is probably gone until complying with the rules for coming back. Last edited by BretMan; Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:47pm. |
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This is not about Athletic Trainers. This is not about a player being uncounscious or not. This is not being dammed. This is about protecting yourself from being accused and convicted of negligence and the penalty (which may be financial or other). I would not even take the advice of my own son on this subject and he is a certified Athletic Trainer. Unfortunately, until he graduates from Med. School the judge probably won't want his advise either. |
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Trust me, I agree with all of you and I do grasp what you are all saying. Being on forum and not in person, things could have been explained much better. I thank you all for your input. I consider this topic closed.
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