Overriding Your Partner??

[PeteBooth]

Thanks

We have MLB to thank for partners over turning one another without being asked.

The call BELONGS to the BU.

The BU has 2 choices

1. Stick with his call or
2. Check with his partner

HOWEVER,

The PU should not chime in unless he asked by his partner NOT the coach.

To me this is no different then a check swing.

F1, F2 the coach the Pope the President of the US can point to me all they want. It's not unitl my Partner points to me that I will give a signal one way or the other.

Now as Bob said depedning upon your partner etc. You could over-ride your partners call in certain situations like the ball being on the ground but that should be discussed in Pre-game

IMO, Arbritraily over-ruling your partner without being asked is not a good thing. Also, whose to say you are right.

Pete Booth

[UMP25]

If done correctly, this entire play can be handled quite easily and without argument by simply changing the umpire and not the call. I've advocated this mechanic for years, and while I get numerous NCAA umpires who disagree with me--some vehemently--I have yet to have an argument in such situations. They all maintain the original call by the BU must be made, then "time" called, then a discussion, then a reversal. I, on the other hand, and I admit it's simply my own recommendation, is to have the BU before he makes a call, point to his plate partner and ask, "Bill, did he have the base?" (or something to that effect). The PU then gives his answer, and if F3's off the base, the PU can even give the off the base signal while exclaiming, "No, off the base." (or similar statement)

I've had this play twice this year, both times with me working the dish. Each time my partner--two different guys--tried to get a good look but was screened, so each gentleman pointed to me and yelled, "Randy, did he have the base?" I gave my response, my BU partner immediately follows up with the final call, and no one came out to argue. It was fluid and methodical and accomplished the same thing as the old umpire's committee meeting.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

We have MLB to thank for partners over turning one another without being asked.

The call BELONGS to the BU.

The BU has 2 choices

1. Stick with his call or
2. Check with his partner

HOWEVER,

The PU should not chime in unless he asked by his partner NOT the coach.

To me this is no different then a check swing.

F1, F2 the coach the Pope the President of the US can point to me all they want. It's not unitl my Partner points to me that I will give a signal one way or the other.

Now as Bob said depedning upon your partner etc. You could over-ride your partners call in certain situations like the ball being on the ground but that should be discussed in Pre-game

IMO, Arbritraily over-ruling your partner without being asked is not a good thing. Also, whose to say you are right.

Pete Booth

"We have MLB to thank for partners over turning one another without being asked."

NO WAY. Where did you ever see this? It's not only against umpiring mechanics, it's against the rules. When questioned by a manager, the umps confer, and then render the final decision.

"IMO, Arbritraily over-ruling your partner without being asked is not a good thing."

It's also against the rules. And a very good way to find yourself working alone. I had a female umpire do this to me on a call at 1B in a HS Varsity softball game many years ago. She came out from behind the plate, hollering, "SAFE. Pulled foot". I called the assignor the next morning, and told him the situation, and that if he ever assigned the two of us together again, I would walk off the field.

When a coach/manager approched me about a call my partner made, it was , "That's his/her call". At the pregame at home plate, I would tell the coaches/managers to go to the umpire making the call and ask if they would check with his/her partner. Of course, 90% of the time, it went in one ear and out the other.

Bob