NCAA P/DH : pitcher stays as DH

[DG]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

So as two separate players, when I have the P/DH replaced on the mound I would assume he is still the DH until otherwise notified. Should a new batter come to the plate in the DH position after that I'm going to stop and confirm that this is a simple DH substitution.

The A.R. does not support your assumption. The coach must say something to indicate P will stay on as DH. And why wouldn't he if the pitcher is a good hitter and has been hitting for himself.

I recall a certain college club team with a particularly good hitting CF/P. When pitching he was always listed in starting lineup as P/DH and remained in the game if relieved. Coach never missed stating that he was staying in as DH if removed as pitcher. In a game when he wasn't the starting pitcher he played CF.

It's not too much to ask of a coach. It would be a good question to ask, from a preventive umpiring perspective, when the change is made.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by DG

The A.R. does not support your assumption. The coach must say something to indicate P will stay on as DH. And why wouldn't he if the pitcher is a good hitter and has been hitting for himself.

I recall a certain college club team with a particularly good hitting CF/P. When pitching he was always listed in starting lineup as P/DH and remained in the game if relieved. Coach never missed stating that he was staying in as DH if removed as pitcher. In a game when he wasn't the starting pitcher he played CF.

It's not too much to ask of a coach. It would be a good question to ask, from a preventive umpiring perspective, when the change is made.

Rule reference please.

I was always under the assumption, 2 seperate entities, P and DH. When OP was made, I asked for a distinction to be made between F1 R Jones and DH R Jones. That clarification was never made and I deleted my post as it was simply ignored. This whole P/DH seems rather vague and confusing. To say coach must announce DH substitution at the time of the pitching substitution doesn't follow the logical flow of the DH rule.

Will the NCAA ever change this horrendous rule?

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by SAump

Rule reference please.

I was always under the assumption, 2 seperate entities, P and DH. When OP was made, I asked for a distinction to be made between F1 R Jones and DH R Jones. That clarification was never made and I deleted my post as it was simply ignored. This whole P/DH seems rather vague and confusing. To say coach must announce DH substitution at the time of the pitching substitution doesn't follow the logical flow of the DH rule.

Without looking at a book my first instinct is that if a player is listed as P/DH, and is substituted for on defense, he remains as DH. (We go from 9 man line up to 10 man lineup.) Now the next time this spot in the batting order comes up, if the current (substitute) pitcher comes up, I make him the new DH (back to a 9 man line up).

The reason I don't think its necessary to make the distinction at the first substitution is that a team can switch between 9 and 10 man line ups. Another thought that enters my mind is the fact that projected substitutions are not allowed. Quite interesting...